On the Mexico and Canada Tariffs

[regor]

At the end of the day, we still end up with shit....then there are those who believe they found the clean end...lick their fingers, and make memes

 

[530RL]

I remain amazed by the transformation in here. When the liberals like squeezer and others would argue that people just need to suck it up and pay higher taxes for the “good of the country” this place would go bonkers with claims of anyone supporting it being a socialist, for big government, or even better the classic, if you want to pay more taxes feel free to.

Now MAGA argues for massively higher taxes and all of a sudden they are the savior of the republic. They argue for central planning while insisting it is the best system of economic governance. They argue the government is the best at allocating private production resources just like the liberals have argued for years.

I think Squeezer and the other liberals would be very proud of many of you in here. You have completely changed your economic and tax philosophy to align almost perfectly with theirs.

If some of them still read in here, they are smiling from ear to ear.

 

[was thatguy]

I remain amazed by the transformation in here. When the liberals like squeezer and others would argue that people just need to suck it up and pay higher taxes for the “good of the country” this place would go bonkers with claims of anyone supporting it being a socialist, for big government, or even better the classic, if you want to pay more taxes feel free to.

Now MAGA argues for massively higher taxes and all of a sudden they are the savior of the republic. They argue for central planning while insisting it is the best system of economic governance. They argue the government is the best at allocating private production resources just like the liberals have argued for years.

I think Squeezer and the other liberals would be very proud of many of you in here. You have completely changed your economic and tax philosophy to align almost perfectly with theirs.

If some of them still read in here, they are smiling from ear to ear.

Wow
Isn’t it kind of risky setting your bullshit bar that high first thing in the morning?
You didn’t leave a lot of room for escalation.

Wait…is this your version of a tariff??

 

[regor]

I remain amazed by the transformation in here. When the liberals like squeezer and others would argue that people just need to suck it up and pay higher taxes for the “good of the country” this place would go bonkers with claims of anyone supporting it being a socialist, for big government, or even better the classic, if you want to pay more taxes feel free to.

Now MAGA argues for massively higher taxes and all of a sudden they are the savior of the republic. They argue for central planning while insisting it is the best system of economic governance. They argue the government is the best at allocating private production resources just like the liberals have argued for years.

I think Squeezer and the other liberals would be very proud of many of you in here. You have completely changed your economic and tax philosophy to align almost perfectly with theirs.

If some of them still read in here, they are smiling from ear to ear.

Only for the rich, but as always lil two-faced one, it was a nice try!!!

 

[530RL]

Only for the rich, but as always lil two-faced one, it was a nice try!!!

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The taxes you support and government economic planning you support are as regressive as they come. They punish the poor and working middle class while doing little to affect the elites.

Couple these new taxes with a tax cut for the most wealthy and you get what you ask for. The rich getting richer while the working middle class gets put further down the economic ladder.

 

[was thatguy]

The taxes you support and government economic planning you support are as regressive as they come. They punish the poor and working middle class while doing little to affect the elites.

Couple these new taxes with a tax cut for the most wealthy and you get what you ask for. The rich getting richer while the working middle class gets put further down the economic ladder.

Huh…I’m working middle class (I think?) and it doesn’t feel like I’m spiraling downward?
In fact I’m doing measurably better than last year at this time…and last year wasn’t bad?

Are you sure yahoo and cnn are telling you the truth??

 

[t&y]

I remain amazed by the transformation in here. When the liberals like squeezer and others would argue that people just need to suck it up and pay higher taxes for the “good of the country” this place would go bonkers with claims of anyone supporting it being a socialist, for big government, or even better the classic, if you want to pay more taxes feel free to.

Now MAGA argues for massively higher taxes and all of a sudden they are the savior of the republic. They argue for central planning while insisting it is the best system of economic governance. They argue the government is the best at allocating private production resources just like the liberals have argued for years.

I think Squeezer and the other liberals would be very proud of many of you in here. You have completely changed your economic and tax philosophy to align almost perfectly with theirs.

If some of them still read in here, they are smiling from ear to ear.

Hahaha.. Good one.

I'll ask you again. Would you rather give Elon 20 billion or Stacy Abrams 20 billion? There is no denying at this juncture we are going to pay more for a bit. I'm betting that the upfront spending will result in lower spending in the future if it can be settled over the next 4 years with who is now in charge. But if you want to pump money into the guys pushing trans gender shit all over the globe and pulling out all the stops to try and kidnap an El Salvadorian MS13 citizen then go right ahead.

 

[regor]

The taxes you support and government economic planning you support are as regressive as they come. They punish the poor and working middle class while doing little to affect the elites.

Couple these new taxes with a tax cut for the most wealthy and you get what you ask for. The rich getting richer while the working middle class gets put further down the economic ladder.

And the middle class was struggling under Trump 1.0....................

 

[j21black]

One of my long term customers, "Superlite" or HardCastle now, has block plants Manufactured by Columbia Mfg, that produce 8 x 8 x 16's and other architectural sizes. Not a SINGLE human touches them until a wrapped and finished pallet needs to be stacked with a forklift.

And if they install AVGs - Which we have some in our operations and have had for 15+ years - Humans won't have to touch them with a forklift to stack or load on a trailer.

 

[t&y]

And if they install AVGs - Which we have some in our operations and have had for 15+ years - Humans won't have to touch them with a forklift to stack or load on a trailer.

That is the scary part. Automation is awesome and terrifying at the same time.

 

[530RL]

Hahaha.. Good one.

I'll ask you again. Would you rather give Elon 20 billion or Stacy Abrams 20 billion? There is no denying at this juncture we are going to pay more for a bit. I'm betting that the upfront spending will result in lower spending in the future if it can be settled over the next 4 years with who is now in charge. But if you want to pump money into the guys pushing trans gender shit all over the globe and pulling out all the stops to try and kidnap an El Salvadorian MS13 citizen then go right ahead.

What?

This is a tax hike. This isn’t about giving anyone any money, it is about taking money from people via higher taxes and less choices.

The exact stuff Squeezer and the other liberals advocated as the solution. Just like MAGA and their supporters in here do now.

 

[j21black]

That is the scary part. Automation is awesome and terrifying at the same time.

Agreed - And part of what the port unions fought last year while wanting a huge pay increase.

It is going to bite them under the next contract IMO.

 

[t&y]

What?

This is a tax hike. This isn’t about giving anyone any money, it is about taking money from people via higher taxes and less choices.

The exact stuff Squeezer and the other liberals advocated as the solution. Just like MAGA and their supporters in here do now.

Oh boy, nice try.

Where does all that money collected from taxes go again?

Don't be a coward. Money is taken already, so you do you want Elon or Stacy Abram?

 

[Sportin' Wood]

“It is not the critic who counts… The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena… who strives valiantly… who errs, who comes short again and again… but who does actually strive to do the deeds…”
TR

 

[was thatguy]

What?

This is a tax hike. This isn’t about giving anyone any money, it is about taking money from people via higher taxes and less choices.

The exact stuff Squeezer and the other liberals advocated as the solution. Just like MAGA and their supporters in here do now.

I don’t see that tax deduction on my paycheck stub.

 

[530RL]

Oh boy, nice try.

Where does all that money collected from taxes go again?

Don't be a coward. Money is taken already, so you do you want Elon or Stacy Abram?

Neither. Why do we want to give either of them money?

And where does that money go? Last time it went to subsidies for those affected by these higher taxes. Primarily farmers.

Fortunately this time we can see which farmers voted for this and skip subsidies for them.

 

[regor]

Who knew Turdy Jones cared soooo much for the middle class?

These tariffs that are just tax hikes on the middle class and don't effect the rich as they get richer, sure have some chonies in a bunch!!!!

 

[was thatguy]

Who knew Turdy Jones cared soooo much for the middle class?

These tariffs that are just tax hikes on the middle class and don't effect the rich as they get richer, sure have some chonies in a bunch!!!!

I can do without his brand of “care”…thank you very much.

 

[t&y]

Neither. Why do we want to give either of them money?

And where does that money go? Last time it went to subsidies for those affected by these higher taxes. Primarily farmers.

Fortunately this time we can see which farmers voted for this and skip subsidies for them.

Afraid to make a choice. Shocking. Just keep complaining with no real solution.

 

[regor]

Afraid to make a choice. Shocking. Just keep complaining with no real solution.

He has a solution.

It's status-quo and only bitch when Orange Man is in office!!

 

[530RL]

Afraid to make a choice. Shocking. Just keep complaining with no real solution.

Solution? For what?

America was better than great, it was Exceptional. The envy of the world. And now in a mere 100 days the laughingstock.

And now all you squeezer juniors want to tax the shit out of everyday Americans to downgrade it further to “Great” from exceptional.

WTF?

 

[was thatguy]

Solution? For what?

America was better than great, it was Exceptional. The envy of the world. And now in a mere 100 days the laughingstock.

And now all you squeezer juniors want to tax the shit out of everyday Americans to downgrade it further to “Great” from exceptional.

WTF?

Where is this stifling tax on my statements?
I can’t find it.

You’re right about one thing.
I AM an everyday American and proud of it.
What are you? Since you’ve obviously inferred you’re different from “us”…

 

[Sportin' Wood]

America was better than great, it was Exceptional. The envy of the world. And now in a mere 100 days the laughingstock.



WTF?

Do you have some data to support this statement?

I manage an international group, from multiple countries. They all wish they lived in America, even more in the last 100 days. I've got a Canadian that wants to be American so bad, she is looking for a husband that will move her here since her county is over run by immigrants that are changing the culture.

The world is not laughing now, there were a year ago. At least the people I work with, including China. The exception might be the French, they are ridiculous.

 

[t&y]

Solution? For what?

America was better than great, it was Exceptional. The envy of the world. And now in a mere 100 days the laughingstock.

And now all you squeezer juniors want to tax the shit out of everyday Americans to downgrade it further to “Great” from exceptional.

WTF?

Lol... Keep trying. Nobody is falling for your doom and gloom bullshit.

 

[t&y]

Do you have some data to support this statement?

I manage an international group, from multiple countries. They all wish they lived in America, even more in the last 100 days. I've got a Canadian that wants to be American so bad, she is looking for a husband that will move her here since her county is over run by immigrants that are changing the culture.

The world is not laughing now, there were a year ago. At least the people I work with, including China. The exception might be the French, they are ridiculous.

Sooo.. about that Canadian looking for a husband????

 

[t&y]

He has a solution.

It's status-quo and only bitch when Orange Man is in office!!

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What is actually honestly shocking to me is how many are so afraid of change. You'd think being a successful business man or women would have hardened people to change and tough times. We all chose our professions, and none of them come with guarantee's.

 

[Smitty7]

My profession chose me . I'm just a good dirt worker . Good jobs wouldn't hire me cause i didn't have that all important college degree paper . Alas I'm just an old equipment operator .

 

[530RL]

Do you have some data to support this statement?

I manage an international group, from multiple countries. They all wish they lived in America, even more in the last 100 days. I've got a Canadian that wants to be American so bad, she is looking for a husband that will move her here since her county is over run by immigrants that are changing the culture.

The world is not laughing now, there were a year ago. At least the people I work with, including China. The exception might be the French, they are ridiculous.

The term laughingstock is a bit of hyperbole, after all what else is all of the P&G? But the US stature in the world is going in the wrong direction. The international people I deal with are literally laughing. They read me quotes all the time just laughing their asses off. It's hard not to laugh with them when they read it out loud.

On the other hand, most in here want it to go that way so it is probably a feature and not a bug.

"Three months into the second Trump Administration and six months after his election, the reputation of the United States as a force for good in the world has taken a serious hit, particularly among our traditional allies in Europe and Canada. This flies in the face of Donald Trump’s repeated campaign promise to restore respect for America around the world. However, given the inward focus of many Americans, its unlikely the MAGA base will notice our diminished standing on the world stage."

https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/americas-reputation-drops-across-the-world

What is actually honestly shocking to me is how many are so afraid of change. You'd think being a successful business man or women would have hardened people to change and tough times. We all chose our professions, and none of them come with guarantee's.

No one that I know is afraid of "change", they are afraid of stupidity and attempting things that have repeatedly proven negative results.

 

[Sportin' Wood]

The term laughingstock is a bit of hyperbole, after all what else is all of the P&G? But the US stature in the world is going in the wrong direction. The international people I deal with are literally laughing. They read me quotes all the time just laughing their asses off. It's hard not to laugh with them when they read it out loud.

On the other hand, most in here want it to go that way so it is probably a feature and not a bug.

"Three months into the second Trump Administration and six months after his election, the reputation of the United States as a force for good in the world has taken a serious hit, particularly among our traditional allies in Europe and Canada. This flies in the face of Donald Trump’s repeated campaign promise to restore respect for America around the world. However, given the inward focus of many Americans, its unlikely the MAGA base will notice our diminished standing on the world stage."

https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/americas-reputation-drops-across-the-world

No one that I know is afraid of "change", they are afraid of stupidity and attempting things that have repeatedly proven negative results.

I feel like people confuse liking and respecting. They are not the same.

I don't care if Europe and Canada like us, mostly the people I work with in Canada and Europe I don't like, but I respect them. Canada did not respect us, they may not right now, but they will when another country comes for their plentiful resources and they need us to help. The French, they are back stabbers. I don't respect or like them. They are cowards, but who can blame them, all the brave men died and screwed up the gene pool.

People hate change so much I've had to be trained on how to manage change in our organization as a change agent. My personal opinion is that Trump and his team have not done a great job with managing change and that is why we have some people upset. UD has legitimate complaints, that are a byproduct of mismanagement of change.

 

[JDKRXW]

Do you have some data to support this statement?

I manage an international group, from multiple countries. They all wish they lived in America, even more in the last 100 days. I've got a Canadian that wants to be American so bad, she is looking for a husband that will move her here since her county is over run by immigrants that are changing the culture.

The world is not laughing now, there were a year ago. At least the people I work with, including China. The exception might be the French, they are ridiculous.

???
Here's some data;

Anger against Trump is forecast to cost the US international visitors

An influential travel forecasting company says anger over the Trump administration’s tariffs and rhetoric will likely cause international travel to the U.S. to fall even further than expected this year.

apnews.com

 

[530RL]

I feel like people confuse liking and respecting. They are not the same.

I don't care if Europe and Canada like us, mostly the people I work with in Canada and Europe I don't like, but I respect them. Canada did not respect us, they may not right now, but they will when another country comes for their plentiful resources and they need us to help. The French, they are back stabbers. I don't respect or like them. They are cowards, but who can blame them, all the brave men died and screwed up the gene pool.

People hate change so much I've had to be trained on how to manage change in our organization as a change agent. My personal opinion is that Trump and his team have not done a great job with managing change and that is why we have some people upset. UD has legitimate complaints, that are a byproduct of mismanagement of change.

No one likes or respects individuals who will not live up to the agreements they agreed to, or who flat out lies to them, or attack their character or physical appearance as opposed to addressing what the issue is. Once someone reneges on their word, such as with the USMCA or other trade agreements now unilaterally torn up, the other side rightfully concludes a deal can not be done with that individual other than managing it as best as possible until they leave.

How people conduct themselves says a lot about the individual and the organization that individual represents. In this case that organization is all of us.

And that is certainly playing out now.

 

[Uncle Dave]

What you continue to do is seemingly ignore everything that has occurred between Trump implementing his initial Tariff's and now, and some how hold him responsible for the proceeds from those Tariff's up until now.

Do you at least acknowledge that he lost the house in 2018, and was not president in charge of spending between 2020 and 2024? Or do you think he was somehow pulling strings while fighting the very obvious lawfare against him which still continues to this day?

It appears that one of your fellow business owner is on the verge of meltdown. I'll leave it at this. I hope you the best with your business. All I think needs to happen is give Trump more than 100 days to make actual change.

I dont ignore it, lifes tough we all went through covid, and problems.
I had to deliver (and I did) so does everyone else.

Sure he lost the house in 2018 I dont recall this coming up prior. Are you saying thats an acceptable excuse for taking the money and not delivering?

I think the guy didnt have it easy, but he brought at least some of that on himself- if you cant keep taxation promises dont make them.
If you cant make bi partisan deals maybe you shouldn't be the president?

I'll raise my prices and send the bill on where I can.
I will lose some international sales because I was already higher to begin with (because I build in America)

I get it, you guys are giving his first term a total flyer on any promises " because circumstances" I hold his feet to the fire then and now.

I’m just wondering if you’re simply venting?
There isn’t a lot to be accomplished by displacing in here, as you know.

I’ll admit, it feels good to call the oracle an idiot now and then, and see what kind of twisted drivel he’s throwing out there.
Other than that nothing will be settled or changed by arguing out of frustration.
Most of us simply aren’t at the level of having these tariffs truly hurt us.
We aren’t you, we aren’t MS-530, we dont order 1000 brake pads.
We are end users that just buy what we need. Yelling at us is akin to tilting at windmills. Lol

You don’t get why we dont really care about a little extra cost, and we don’t get why it’s such a big deal to you.
2 different playing fields.
So…what’s the goal here?

The goal is discussing current events and policy as it relates to the group here and the world we live in.

Do you find new and increasing taxation without benefit soothing ? Or would you say it's frustrating?

You guys dont buy parts in lots of 1-10K, I get it.

It's easy to see it as X dollars out of 100 for something you feel you dont buy, but the effect of this goes to nearly every bill.
If you bought a million in parts, and paid 100K in tariffs your probably feel differently.

"it isnt that much" and "I can choose not to buy" make me believe the guys making these statements dont really understand how this adds up to what you pay for everything everywhere.

I want to keep the 200 awesome people employed here, and when I have to pay taxes on parts where there is no local option and my global competitors dont get the same charge it makes it hard to compete.

Until the benefit arrives Im just paying more taxes.

 

[was thatguy]

I’m confused.

The Oracle keeps telling me that I’m the one that’s going to hurt and be ruined.
You keep saying that it’s the large scale importers/ distributors that are being affected.
And the trickledown is what will get me eventually?

His bs is all driven from Trump hate, so I don’t believe a word he says.

 

[regor]

No one likes or respects individuals who will not live up to the agreements they agreed to, or who flat out lies to them, or attack their character or physical appearance as opposed to addressing what the issue is. Once someone reneges on their word, such as with the USMCA or other trade agreements now unilaterally torn up, the other side rightfully concludes a deal can not be done with that individual other than managing it as best as possible until they leave.

How people conduct themselves says a lot about the individual and the organization that individual represents. In this case that organization is all of us.

And that is certainly playing out now.

And to think, you and yore fellow Uni-Party crooks put him in the seat....................TWICE!!!!!!!

 

[was thatguy]

The term laughingstock is a bit of hyperbole, after all what else is all of the P&G? But the US stature in the world is going in the wrong direction. The international people I deal with are literally laughing. They read me quotes all the time just laughing their asses off. It's hard not to laugh with them when they read it out loud.

On the other hand, most in here want it to go that way so it is probably a feature and not a bug.

"Three months into the second Trump Administration and six months after his election, the reputation of the United States as a force for good in the world has taken a serious hit, particularly among our traditional allies in Europe and Canada. This flies in the face of Donald Trump’s repeated campaign promise to restore respect for America around the world. However, given the inward focus of many Americans, its unlikely the MAGA base will notice our diminished standing on the world stage."

https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/americas-reputation-drops-across-the-world

No one that I know is afraid of "change", they are afraid of stupidity and attempting things that have repeatedly proven negative results.

I have absolutely no doubt at all that you and your theatre of globalist ghoul financiers do in fact laugh at America…as you have consistently demonstrated your disdain for this country.
You care absolutely nothing about the middle class, and care ONLY about your ledger.
Tell me, who sits at the head of this cartel of corruption, and culture of “America Last”??
Klaus himself?

 

[Doc]

I remain amazed by the transformation in here. When the liberals like squeezer and others would argue that people just need to suck it up and pay higher taxes for the “good of the country” this place would go bonkers with claims of anyone supporting it being a socialist, for big government, or even better the classic, if you want to pay more taxes feel free to.

Now MAGA argues for massively higher taxes and all of a sudden they are the savior of the republic. They argue for central planning while insisting it is the best system of economic governance. They argue the government is the best at allocating private production resources just like the liberals have argued for years.

I think Squeezer and the other liberals would be very proud of many of you in here. You have completely changed your economic and tax philosophy to align almost perfectly with theirs.

If some of them still read in here, they are smiling from ear to ear.

I don't recall that part with squeezer, maybe I wasn't roaming down here at that time. In regards to the "MAGA" down here and I don't speak for everyone just myself but in short most consumers will suffer for a short time in order to gain in the long run. If we can level the playing field more in our favor for the future why not. Again, I've said in Trumps previous administration his tariffs weren't as big of a deal because the economy was way stronger and the consumer for the most part didn't mind paying more if they really wanted something. Now, at this current time, the economy isn't nearly as strong as it was so of course this is a way bigger issue.

I understand that it effects people in here including myself from a business stand point and it's just something we have to try and power through. I always had domestic and foreign suppliers and I did that on purpose. I have a relationship with domestic supplies and would split my purchases enough where now I have no problem getting product. They are getting calls from all kinds of competitors that would only buy from overseas and they sadly have to tell most of them no because of their loyalty to long term customers and just the basic fact that they can't handle work load.

 

[530RL]

they sadly have to tell most of them no because of their loyalty to long term customers and just the basic fact that they can't handle work load.

I agree. The policies of this administration has created the perfect opportunity for your suppliers to raise prices substantially as demand exceeds supply.

I was told by you and others during the last administration that policies that raise prices, create inflation, were really bad.

Yet now, it appears policies that create price increases, inflation, are good under your guy.

Like I said, it is a dramatic transformation.

 

[Uncle Dave]

I don't recall that part with squeezer, maybe I wasn't roaming down here at that time. In regards to the "MAGA" down here and I don't speak for everyone just myself but in short most consumers will suffer for a short time in order to gain in the long run. If we can level the playing field more in our favor for the future why not. Again, I've said in Trumps previous administration his tariffs weren't as big of a deal because the economy was way stronger and the consumer for the most part didn't mind paying more if they really wanted something. Now, at this current time, the economy isn't nearly as strong as it was so of course this is a way bigger issue.

I understand that it effects people in here including myself from a business stand point and it's just something we have to try and power through. I always had domestic and foreign suppliers and I did that on purpose. I have a relationship with domestic supplies and would split my purchases enough where now I have no problem getting product. They are getting calls from all kinds of competitors that would only buy from overseas and they sadly have to tell most of them no because of their loyalty to long term customers and just the basic fact that they can't handle work load.

A very reasonable post.

What do you do?

I don't know anyone that isn't ok with some short term pain for long term gain - but when exactly does the long term gain that in our favor start?
We/ you have been paying tariffs since 2018.

Where is the industry, what is the plan, where are the incentives to invest, how do you get companies to spend billions, when the current or next guy can undo any prior deal by declaring an emergency?

It sounds like you have or had sourcing options that weren't coming from Asia.
This the first easiest step to avoid paying a tariff - just buy from a place that isnt tariffed.

When that isn't an option then you have no choice but to either eat the tariff or pass it on, usually with an added bump because now you have to carry the cost and burden of tracking and carrying the money so typically X % gets bumped.

Is it to much to expect to see a plan or some movement on the " gain" part?
According to this place I should have zero expectations of actual performance and be hunky dory with runaway taxation.

There clearly wasn't a plan do anything but spend the money because we haven't seen a plan through three administrations now.

This group is making excuses for the lack of performance and I diverge with them on this expectation.

 

[angiebaby]

I've imported from Canada monthly-ish for 5 years and never had to do anything but wire my supplier the $$. This is new for me and it's gigantic pain in my ass that didn't exist 2 months ago.

This is a genuine question. Did you vote for Trump? You don't have to answer, but I'm going to assume you did, so feel free to correct me. When you voted back in November, did you not know about his plan to tariff the hell out of China? Or did you think it wouldn't affect you for some reason? I feel bad for you because it's obviously and understandably causing a lot of stress for you. But how did you think this would play out when you voted? I would guess you would have started planning to mitigate it immediately after the results were in. I did. I was a federal employee. A remote worker. Double whammy. The night of the election, I knew that my job would likely not make it through June. It ended two weeks ago. So we're pivoting. Working through it as best we can. We don't have a lot of debt other than our mortgage, by design. We may have to give up winters in Havasu. I'm sure there are many people worse off than me, so I'm grateful. The RIF was no surprise. I'm not even complaining. Yes. It's a huge bummer. But I know the bureaucracy is a bloated mess and needs to be cut. I voted for that. NO ONE but Trump would have ever cut it. It would just keep going on and on, growing and growing until it ate our nation from the inside out. I'll find something else, even if I have to go back into retail or the service industry. Teaching jobs are still available here and there, also. There are a lot of jobs here, I'll likely have to take a pay cut, but it is what it is.

Honestly, I hope that these tariffs are short-term and that these leaders can figure it out. Disrupting a nation's food supply and energy often leads to war (just ask Japan), which is a larger concern for me personally than tariffs and supply chain issues due to our overreliance on foreign goods.

America was better than great, it was Exceptional. The envy of the world. And now in a mere 100 days the laughingstock.

Are you implying that people weren't laughing at us two years ago when our president couldn't find the stairs and fell up the airplane steps? When he got lost in the White House? When he fell asleep in the Oval Office talking with world leaders? I saw videos of newscasters in more than one country literally laughing at our president. I'm not implying that some folks in your world are laughing at Trump, but to say this is something new after the past four years is preposterous. The fact that our enemies didn't attack us and move in for the kill while they all knew we had no coherent president is nothing short of a miracle. I'll take what we have today ANY day of the week over the past 4 years. He's awake, and he's doing something. What has been done for the past 40 years wasn't working. The old school republicans did nothing to fix anything; they often made it worse (crack cocaine via the CIA, New World Order, the Patriot Act, and DHS anyone?). The system needed to be broken. That's what I voted for, someone to break it.

 

[Sportin' Wood]

???
Here's some data;

Anger against Trump is forecast to cost the US international visitors

An influential travel forecasting company says anger over the Trump administration’s tariffs and rhetoric will likely cause international travel to the U.S. to fall even further than expected this year.

apnews.com

1.) The AP has lost all credit as journalism.
2.) Canadian exchange rate makes travel to the US less desirable
3.) Anger is a different emotion than respect.

Before you grill me on media credibility, please know it's not worth your effort. My only truth is nature.

 

[Sportin' Wood]

No one likes or respects individuals who will not live up to the agreements they agreed to, or who flat out lies to them, or attack their character or physical appearance as opposed to addressing what the issue is. Once someone reneges on their word, such as with the USMCA or other trade agreements now unilaterally torn up, the other side rightfully concludes a deal can not be done with that individual other than managing it as best as possible until they leave.

How people conduct themselves says a lot about the individual and the organization that individual represents. In this case that organization is all of us.

And that is certainly playing out now.

It is really crazy to me how you only ever look at what the Trump does and not what other countries do.

It is apparent to me that everyone EVERYONE, I come in contact with that are anti tariff, have a selfish reason for it. No matter how much we debate, you can't debate away selfishness. For the most part the pro tariff people also have a selfish reason, so this whole debate is worthless.

We all have had it too good for too long.

 

[530RL]

The system needed to be broken. That's what I voted for, someone to break it.

I don’t disagree that MAGA voted to break America, or the system as you call it.

I’m simply pointing out that the policies and tactics being endorsed by MAGA and implemented are the exact progressive liberal policies everyone in here derided for as long as I have been around here.

I find the transformation quite interesting.

 

[Doc]

I agree. The policies of this administration has created the perfect opportunity for your suppliers to raise prices substantially as demand exceeds supply.

I was told by you and others during the last administration that policies that raise prices, create inflation, were really bad.

Yet now, it appears policies that create price increases, inflation, are good under your guy.

Like I said, it is a dramatic transformation.

Actually my domestic vendors haven't raised any prices due to tariffs. Now don't get me wrong there are other companies that both seen what was coming and were in a position to purchase inventory cheaper before tariffs and take advantage of it. You yourself mentioned something like you or the companies you work with stocked up because you seen the writing on the wall. You even kind of bragged if I recall how your profit margins went up because of that. I say good for you, but why not pass the savings on to your customers then?

I've never said inflation and prices is good under my "guy" lol. You're just being typical and twisting words as usual. Gas has fallen all across the nation but Ca which trickles into higher prices across the board. Is that Trumps fault or Newsoms?

 

[17 10 Flat]

This is a genuine question. Did you vote for Trump? You don't have to answer, but I'm going to assume you did, so feel free to correct me. When you voted back in November, did you not know about his plan to tariff the hell out of China? Or did you think it wouldn't affect you for some reason? I feel bad for you because it's obviously and understandably causing a lot of stress for you. But how did you think this would play out when you voted? I would guess you would have started planning to mitigate it immediately after the results were in. I did. I was a federal employee. A remote worker. Double whammy. The night of the election, I knew that my job would likely not make it through June. It ended two weeks ago. So we're pivoting. Working through it as best we can. We don't have a lot of debt other than our mortgage, by design. We may have to give up winters in Havasu. I'm sure there are many people worse off than me, so I'm grateful. The RIF was no surprise. I'm not even complaining. Yes. It's a huge bummer. But I know the bureaucracy is a bloated mess and needs to be cut. I voted for that. NO ONE but Trump would have ever cut it. It would just keep going on and on, growing and growing until it ate our nation from the inside out. I'll find something else, even if I have to go back into retail or the service industry. Teaching jobs are still available here and there, also. There are a lot of jobs here, I'll likely have to take a pay cut, but it is what it is.

Honestly, I hope that these tariffs are short-term and that these leaders can figure it out. Disrupting a nation's food supply and energy often leads to war (just ask Japan), which is a larger concern for me personally than tariffs and supply chain issues due to our overreliance on foreign goods.


Are you implying that people weren't laughing at us two years ago when our president couldn't find the stairs and fell up the airplane steps? When he got lost in the White House? When he fell asleep in the Oval Office talking with world leaders? I saw videos of newscasters in more than one country literally laughing at our president. I'm not implying that some folks in your world are laughing at Trump, but to say this is something new after the past four years is preposterous. The fact that our enemies didn't attack us and move in for the kill while they all knew we had no coherent president is nothing short of a miracle. I'll take what we have today ANY day of the week over the past 4 years. He's awake, and he's doing something. What has been done for the past 40 years wasn't working. The old school republicans did nothing to fix anything; they often made it worse (crack cocaine via the CIA, New World Order, the Patriot Act, and DHS anyone?). The system needed to be broken. That's what I voted for, someone to break it.

One has to understand there are actually people who think the AP, Yahoo news, CNN, MSNBC are creditable news outlets that only report facts with no bias. Some think FOX is some right wing looney news outlet. The other outlets are so far to the left even an outlet that is just center left comes across as far right. I agree Trump is doing exactly what he was elected to do. Bust up the status quo.

 

[530RL]

It is really crazy to me how you only ever look at what the Trump does and not what other countries do.

It is apparent to me that everyone EVERYONE, I come in contact with that are anti tariff, have a selfish reason for it. No matter how much we debate, you can't debate away selfishness. For the most part the pro tariff people also have a selfish reason, so this whole debate is worthless.

We all have had it too good for too long.

It is really crazy to me how you only ever look at what the Trump does and not what other countries do.

It is apparent to me that everyone EVERYONE, I come in contact with that are anti tariff, have a selfish reason for it. No matter how much we debate, you can't debate away selfishness. For the most part the pro tariff people also have a selfish reason, so this whole debate is worthless.

We all have had it too good for too long.

Every position on this topic is based in self interest. That is human nature and healthy.

 

[regor]

Every position on this topic is based in self interest. That is human nature and healthy.

Speak for your greedy self, it's not for me. My position is what is good for the country, plain and simple.

It will cost me business and headaches.

 

[Sportin' Wood]

Every position on this topic is based in self interest. That is human nature and healthy.

We could have a fun debate on this, but perhaps another time. Collectivism vs Individualism. I don't agree that selfishness is healthy. However, I think this speaks volumes as to what drives behavior and bias.

EDIT: I'm a selfish bastard. It is a weakness.

 

[lbhsbz]

This is a genuine question. Did you vote for Trump? You don't have to answer, but I'm going to assume you did, so feel free to correct me. When you voted back in November, did you not know about his plan to tariff the hell out of China? Or did you think it wouldn't affect you for some reason? I feel bad for you because it's obviously and understandably causing a lot of stress for you. But how did you think this would play out when you voted? I would guess you would have started planning to mitigate it immediately after the results were in. I did. I was a federal employee. A remote worker. Double whammy. The night of the election, I knew that my job would likely not make it through June. It ended two weeks ago. So we're pivoting. Working through it as best we can. We don't have a lot of debt other than our mortgage, by design. We may have to give up winters in Havasu. I'm sure there are many people worse off than me, so I'm grateful. The RIF was no surprise. I'm not even complaining. Yes. It's a huge bummer. But I know the bureaucracy is a bloated mess and needs to be cut. I voted for that. NO ONE but Trump would have ever cut it. It would just keep going on and on, growing and growing until it ate our nation from the inside out. I'll find something else, even if I have to go back into retail or the service industry. Teaching jobs are still available here and there, also. There are a lot of jobs here, I'll likely have to take a pay cut, but it is what it is.

Honestly, I hope that these tariffs are short-term and that these leaders can figure it out. Disrupting a nation's food supply and energy often leads to war (just ask Japan), which is a larger concern for me personally than tariffs and supply chain issues due to our overreliance on foreign goods.

Yes, and I knew some changes were coming....the extent of those changes is what nobody knew. I had big orders out back in October and some even earlier....Sometimes it takes a while, so I tried to get ahead of it. I only have so much space though to store things...and even rented more space to get ready. Some made it in last year, some in January, but about 1/2 the stuff that didn't make it by Feb. was simply cancelled by the supplier. I did not anticipate that. I also did not anticipate that suppliers who had previously handled all the import/customs stuff would decide to stop doing that all of a sudden without telling me. Knowing that I am without a choice on suppliers for certain things because there are only a few and I don't do the volume to have it tooled stateside, I am fully prepared to pay the tariffs....but the tariffs themselves appear to be a drop in the bucket here....and I didn't anticipate that either.

Example: I have a pallet leaving Canada tomorrow....$3900 is what it would have cost to land on my doorstep a few months ago. We're up to $6275 so far (not counting the hours I've spent trying to sort things out) and that's not the final figure yet....but sure as fuck is a bit more that 25%....and I didn't anticipate that either.

 

[angiebaby]

Yes, and I knew some changes were coming....the extent of those changes is what nobody knew. I had big orders out back in October and some even earlier....Sometimes it takes a while, so I tried to get ahead of it. I only have so much space though to store things...and even rented more space to get ready. Some made it in last year, some in January, but about 1/2 the stuff that didn't make it by Feb. was simply cancelled by the supplier. I did not anticipate that. I also did not anticipate that suppliers who had previously handled all the import/customs stuff would decide to stop doing that all of a sudden without telling me. Knowing that I am without a choice on suppliers for certain things because there are only a few and I don't do the volume to have it tooled stateside, I am fully prepared to pay the tariffs....but the tariffs themselves appear to be a drop in the bucket here....and I didn't anticipate that either.

Example: I have a pallet leaving Canada tomorrow....$3900 is what it would have cost to land on my doorstep a few months ago. We're up to $6275 so far and that's not the final figure yet....but sure as fuck is a bit more that 25%....and I didn't anticipate that either.

Gotcha. There’s only so much you can plan for, certainly. It sounds like you did your best to try to get ahead of it. Hopefully the pain and stress will be short-lived.

 

[rcmike]

I want to keep the 200 awesome people employed here, and when I have to pay taxes on parts where there is no local option and my global competitors dont get the same charge it makes it hard to compete.

I drive all over the country. I run through small towns, small cities, and big cities. And a lot of ghost towns.

It's real obvious when the factory closed, and the town dried up and blew away. The despair is palpable. If they are lucky, they still have a Dollar General and a gas station.

This is the cost of globalization. We can pretend to ignore it, but it is fucking real.

MS53 doesn't care as long as the pool boy he imported this week is serving margaritas and cocoa oil at sunset.. It sounds like you actually care about the people you employ.. But in the end, there is no way to compete with labor where you can pay a dollar a week. So either we abandon industry altogether, and everybody flips burgers while the MS53s escape the Singapore, or figure out a way to change this script.