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[Bajastu]

Explain to me why I all of a sudden have to have a real ID to fly domestic and my current ID won't work as it has for many years? What is the difference? No one has been able to give me a straight answer. And don't tell me it is more secure and federally recognized because that is the only answers I've got, even from the dmv. If that is the answer see post 14. If it's so much different and better then why do I still need a passport to fly internationally? Shouldn't this "federally recognized" "real ID" be sufficient? Yes I will end up getting one when I have to renew but it makes zero sense! JMO

It’s the federal government’s way of standardizing the ID process by adding extra layers to prove you are who you say you are. Some states over the years have been subpar on the gathering or requirements of the info to properly ID people and issue a DL. California is one of the states who sucks at this.

Technically, undocumented immigrants cannot be issued a Real ID. There are loop holes as others have mentioned, but I hope to see this as a benefit to the American people.

To fly internationally, a state issued ID along with the extra safety measures are not recognized by other countries. Hence the need for a passport that is issued by the government. Other countries recognize this and use it to ensure who is entering and exiting their countries. It’s one of the few items all countries can agree on.

I don’t make the rules, but following these easy steps makes travel quite easy. Also, just get a Sentri card or Global Entry. Both cards are recognized by the TSA and CBP and add an extra layer of security that ease the international domestic travel program. A known traveler number is worth its weight in gold if you travel for your career or for pleasure.

 

[JUSTWANNARACE]

It’s the federal government’s way of standardizing the ID process by adding extra layers to prove you are who you say you are. Some states over the years have been subpar on the gathering or requirements of the info to properly ID people and issue a DL. California is one of the states who sucks at this.

Technically, undocumented immigrants cannot be issued a Real ID. There are loop holes as others have mentioned, but I hope to see this as a benefit to the American people.

To fly internationally, a state issued ID along with the extra safety measures are not recognized by other countries. Hence the need for a passport that is issued by the government. Other countries recognize this and use it to ensure who is entering and exiting their countries. It’s one of the few items all countries can agree on.

I don’t make the rules, but following these easy steps makes travel quite easy. Also, just get a Sentri card or Global Entry. Both cards are recognized by the TSA and CBP and add an extra layer of security that ease the international domestic travel program. A known traveler number is worth its weight in gold if you travel for your career or for pleasure.

You are telling me the same answer as everyone and agency's have told me.

Then how are people bringing me real id's and when we run there social security card they are fake? Do they not get their social ran for these "more secure and more info to prove who they are" ID's?

That makes it no different then the ID i currently carry! Because I had to show the same info to get the one I have now. A social and 2 pieces of mail if I remember correctly.

Our payroll company can run the social through a database and figure out it is fake, but the dmv can't?

Get my point?

Doesn't make sense.

 

[JUSTWANNARACE]

The only real answer i can come up with is..

"Because I (government) told you so!"

The damn thing is no more secure and seems anyone can get one, legal citizen or not!

 

[Bajastu]

You are telling me the same answer as everyone and agency's have told me.

Then how are people bringing me real id's and when we run there social security card they are fake? Do they not get their social ran for these "more secure and more info to prove who they are" ID's?

Our payroll company can run the social through a database and figure out it is fake, but the dmv can't?

Get my point?

Doesn't make sense.

As I mentioned, some states were subpar on gathering the proper info to establish residency and proof of identity. This act standardized all states.

Unfortunately there are loopholes that allow people to pass through and gain a star on their ID. As long as the government comes up with these new ideas, people with circumvent the system to gain access.

Keep in mind that a SS is not a government issued id. It’s just an individual number. Yes you need to give it to the state DMV to get the Real ID. It, along with the other required documents help establish identity along with a passport.

I fully understand the frustration that comes with this but sometimes if it means falling in line to make things better, easier, and safer, I do it, except for the jab and all of that other covid BS. The government already has all of this info, it’s just compiling it into one place. Lord knows that they can’t do it on their own.

My last job for 16 years I just flew on the company private jet. That’s the best way to fly domestically. I could have a beer in hand, knife in my pocket, and a gun in my suitcase. The good old days……

 

[JUSTWANNARACE]

As I mentioned, some states were subpar on gathering the proper info to establish residency and proof of identity. This act standardized all states.

Unfortunately there are loopholes that allow people to pass through and gain a star on their ID. As long as the government comes up with these new ideas, people with circumvent the system to gain access.

Keep in mind that a SS is not a government issued id. It’s just an individual number. Yes you need to give it to the state DMV to get the Real ID. It, along with the other required documents help establish identity along with a passport.

I fully understand the frustration that comes with this but sometimes if it means falling in line to make things better, easier, and safer, I do it, except for the jab and all of that other covid BS. The government already has all of this info, it’s just compiling it into one place. Lord knows that they can’t do it on their own.

My last job for 16 years I just flew on the company private jet. That’s the best way to fly domestically. I could have a beer in hand, knife in my pocket, and a gun in my suitcase. The good old days……

So nothing different then my ID now. Just more expensive...

Noted!



I'm not frustrated, im just trying to figure out how these are so much better to create the added cost and nobody has a legitimate answer. They sure as hell are not harder to get apparently. If our payroll company can figure out they have a fake social(not here legally) but the dmv still gives them a real ID then they are no more secure then the current..

 

[Sleek-Jet]

This sure as hell isn't panning out. Which is the reason for enactment. See post 14.

As I said in post 29 Just another money grab!!

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Since it was twenty years ago my memory is a little fuzzy but a couple of things about the PATRIOT act.

The RealID requirements were supposed to be in place by 2008 or so, but the fed pushed the compliance date back due to the Great Recession and then the states started balking so it was pushed back several times to Spring of 2020, remember what happened then? And now here we are 20 years later. It also created the requirement for passports at the US and Canadian border, and a few other travel ID requirements. Here is where my memory gets fuzzy, but I believe the original drafts did require a passport for travel (similar to many European countries). But the Democrats in Congress objected and RealID was a compromise. Personally I think it is more of a infringement on our Rights than it is a money grab, but there is no reason it can't be both.

What never made sense was this was all designed to keep terrorists off of airplanes, but the 9/11 were traveling legally at the time of the attacks and the RealID only applied to US Citizens, since foreign travelers would ostensibly have a passport (ignoring someone in the country illegally).

 

[4Waters]

We got our kids real ID's, it was easier to get them their real ID than it was for the wife and I. When it came time for my daughter to get her license it just slid over, no extra paperwork. Get your minor kids real ID's now.

 

[was thatguy]

What adult American does not have a passport?
That is just bizarre to me.
I got the real ID years ago as well.
But I can’t get my head around not having a passport.
Mine is with me anytime I leave the house for more than one night, seriously.
I think it became a habit back in my civilian DoD days when we’d get sent all over the place at a moments notice. You HAD to have it.
If you are an adult American citizen without a passport, put that on your list of “things I must do tomorrow” and get your damned passport.

 

[Orange Juice]

Is there a difference between using a state issued drivers license, and one with the Federal Real ID star?

Can any law be applied differently?

 

[Badchoices03]

I was flying yesterday, and I was amazed at the amount of people that were confused and upset that they needed their RealID....

 

[rivermobster]

I was flying yesterday, and I was amazed at the amount of people that were confused and upset that they needed a passport....

Fixed it for ya.

Nobody NEEDS a Real ID. Or a Semi Real ID. Or a Really Really Real ID!!!

Like the OP said...

Get a passport and join the Real World!

 

[wzuber]

Wow, mine is 20 years old?

Maybe it was a perk of being a major flake/ mc Cain donor?

 

[wzuber]

I was flying yesterday, and I was amazed at the amount of people that were confused and upset that they needed their RealID....

I was at the dmv yesterday and was amazed at all the various imports ( asian/ Mexican etc.) That couldn't follow the basic instructions that were repeated constantly to those waiting in the long line to have your documents out, in hand and ready to hand over to the intake people that verify your appointment/visit needs etc. Several people were told to leave to go get the req. Docs, the rest were just scolded for not following instructions. The DMV was very efficient in processing the large volume of people yesterday.

 

[rivermobster]

I was at the dmv yesterday and was amazed at all the various imports ( asian/ Mexican etc.) That couldn't follow the basic instructions that were repeated constantly to those waiting in the long line to have your documents out, in hand and ready to hand over to the intake people that verify your appointment/visit needs etc. Several people were told to leave to go get the req. Docs, the rest were just scolded for not following instructions. The DMV was very efficient in processing the large volume of people yesterday.

When I went to get my passport at the post office...

The chick was AMAZED I had the correct documentation in place and everything filled out correctly.

Is it seriously That hard to read and follow instructions???

Thank gawd for our Grammar school teachers that taught us about reading comprehension.

:bowdown:

 

[4Waters]

What adult American does not have a passport?
That is just bizarre to me.
I got the real ID years ago as well.
But I can’t get my head around not having a passport.
Mine is with me anytime I leave the house for more than one night, seriously.
I think it became a habit back in my civilian DoD days when we’d get sent all over the place at a moments notice. You HAD to have it.
If you are an adult American citizen without a passport, put that on your list of “things I must do tomorrow” and get your damned passport.

I don't have a passport and to be honest I really don't have any desire to go to other countries, if that changes I will get one.

 

[rivermobster]

I don't have a passport and to be honest I really don't have any desire to go to other countries, if that changes i will get one.

It will change Big Time once you're retired.

 

[Badchoices03]

Fixed it for ya.

Nobody NEEDS a Real ID. Or a Semi Real ID. Or a Really Really Real ID!!!

Like the OP said...

Get a passport and join the Real World!

Nobody NEEDS a passport if they are just flying domestically and can just get a RealID....lol...it goes both ways...I dont care, I have a realID, a passport, and a passport card....

 

[Sandlord]

First you needed a passport or real id for international air travel
Then domestic air travel
Soon add voting
Then Amtrak
Maybe state lines,
Employment
Medical care
You can’t fight it

 

[rivermobster]

Nobody NEEDS a passport if they are just flying domestically and can just get a RealID....lol...it goes both ways...I dont care, I have a realID, a passport, and a passport card....

What, no Global Entry card??

Poser.

 

[4Waters]

It will change Big Time once you're retired.

Probably not, there is a lot of America I haven't seen yet

 

[Badchoices03]

What, no Global Entry card??

Poser.

No, but I do gat a Sentri pass for the Mexico border....lol...

 

[Taboma]

Why wouldn’t the come up with a Semi Real ID for all the non authorized….

Ive lived at the same house and same info since my 1st DL in 1986 ….

Now I need a water bill to prove who I am ….

Dont forget Needles DMV - walk in walk out !

Yup, just ignore the stink-eye the old fart's going to lay on you when he spots your address and is irritated you're bothering him.
I got my Real ID at Needles in early 2021 when I had to renew. Took a renewal exam and the crusty ole fart said I missed two. OK, can I see my test in order to see which questions I missed ? -- "NO, I already threw it away"
Point being, unlike across the river where the MVD folks are smiling and friendly, over there in Needles, the vibe is that infamous California "DMV-Tude".

 

[CLCookie]

For you all afraid of the Real ID, the next step is to require it for voting, are you against that? Virtually anyone can get a DL, I have zero issues making it a bit harder to qualify for an ID.

Can someone explain the money grab, for me it was the same cost when I had to get a new DL, but then again this was years ago?

 

[Boatymcboatface]

Between the boater ID and the real ID your guys sure cry a lot! But not one thread about getting a AARP card!?! I’d guess 3/4 of you guys have one of those.

 

[rivermobster]

Between the boater ID and the real ID your guys sure cry a lot! But not one thread about getting a AARP card!?! I’d guess 3/4 of you guys have one of those.

I'd bet not...

The AARP will definitely support the woke with Your money.

 

[JUSTWANNARACE]

For you all afraid of the Real ID, the next step is to require it for voting, are you against that? Virtually anyone can get a DL, I have zero issues making it a bit harder to qualify for an ID.

Can someone explain the money grab, for me it was the same cost when I had to get a new DL, but then again this was years ago?

Virtually anybody can get a real ID

And the money grab

 

[wzuber]

Virtually anybody can get a real ID

And the money grab

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Is that extra $30.00 for the border fence between Oregon & cali like it is for the cali/mex boarder fence?
Asking for a cali illegal.

 

[JUSTWANNARACE]

Is that extra $30.00 for the border fence between Oregon & cali like it is for the cali/mex boarder fence?
Asking for a cali illegal.

Yep, pretty soon cali will just be completely fenced off so they can't exit

 

[caribbean20]

I was flying yesterday, and I was amazed at the amount of people that were confused and upset that they needed their RealID....

Curious, did they turn them away? What were the consequences?

 

[rivermobster]

Curious, did they turn them away? What were the consequences?

Consequences? They were Forced to read this thread! Duh!!!

 

[was thatguy]

A passport is not strictly for travel.
It trumps every other form of ID.
Can you live without it? Yes… until the day you need it.
Then we see a thread complaining about the process and wait time to obtain a passport.
Just like people complains about the real ID when it’s been in the works for years, and this day was known for years.
Pulling out a passport for ID is like pulling out an AMEX black or whatever the ultimate credit card is.
It’s like having your CCW in Arizona where you really don’t legally need it, but it streamlines a lot of other things.
When you pull it out, it’s automatic that you are legit.

 

[Badchoices03]

A passport is not strictly for travel.
It trumps every other form of ID.
Can you live without it? Yes… until the day you need it.
Then we see a thread complaining about the process and wait time to obtain a passport.
Just like people complains about the real ID when it’s been in the works for years, and this day was known for years.
Pulling out a passport for ID is like pulling out an AMEX black or whatever the ultimate credit card is.
It’s like having your CCW in Arizona where you really don’t legally need it, but it streamlines a lot of other things.
When you pull it out, it’s automatic that you are legit.

Hmmm....Im 50yo and have never needed my passport except at the airport to travel....

 

[Badchoices03]

Curious, did they turn them away? What were the consequences?

I don't know the final outcome, but yes they were turning them away at the security line....

 

[BabyRay]

I’m flying in a few days, so I hope all those procrastinators don’t slow things down!

I don’t have the state-issued Real ID, but last time I renewed my passport, I added a passport card. It was easier than standing in line at the DMV, and I don’t want to carry my passport book every time I fly.

 

[Bobby V]

Curious, did they turn them away? What were the consequences?

I heard they had to go to a different line with minimal delays.