New Barron Boats Model

[Ballyhoo]

" significant changes" could mean many things such as alterations to the shape of the keel, moving the rocker point, removing the hook to altering the dimensions and or location of the strakes......aka...refinements to an already good working hull but improved for the future generation of that particular design.
Does the Vector out perform the Shiada in any significant way?

If you watch the video I linked, Schiada answers those questions about performance differences.

 

[Ballyhoo]

While we are at it, let's talk about the Howard 22 and Vaughn 22.......same boat....different names. It was also said the 22 Howard was a shortened 24 Schiada.

I had a guy with a 22 Vaughn contact me via this forum and ask me to take a number of hull measurements from my 24 Schiada to compare with his Vaughn. According to him they did not match.

A 24 Schiada is not a full 24' more like 23'6" if I remember correctly.

I'll take you out anytime Joe and you can give it a spin and see if it rides similar to the Howard.

 

[BradnBecky]

Go 600. You will be glad you did.

We are sticking with 565. We still pull kids on tubes and wake surf. And I had the 454MPI with 375 HP in my old 210 and I ran in the 70s. Logan now owns it down in Parker. So 565 HP on a 3 foot bigger boat I am guessing I’ll still run 70 and that is fast enough. Thanks for the suggest though.

 

[BradnBecky]

It’s not as simple as Splashing a hull. If this was say Howard splashing the hull and changed the top making it a howard, then so be it.
With the purchase of Hallett , included anything and everything Hallett. Not just the molds that existed.
The problem I see is Jerry would have been spanked introducing the 242 attempting to steal back the business his family sold. Now the “partners” introduce as if they have the rights to it, they all had Barron HIN so Barron is Hallett, Hallett is Barron. Not so once company is sold.
If they want Hallett back then buy it, simple as that. Hell they would increase sales, have real boats to offer, and very likely out pace hallett sales under Davis. Win win for all.
Marketing it as legend returns,teak floors we are known for, the list goes on, are all known as hallett specific. And then stumble on your own words saying 242 Hall… uh I messed up, not even attempting to create your own

Anyone defending Barron on this has clearly never owned or sold a business.
Let’s say In n Out purchased original Tommy’s. Both well known companies. Now under one parent company. It’s a I don’t care, I love it, I hate it situation. Years pass and in n out says hey if your interested we would entertain selling Tommy’s.
Meantime the son starts a company and calls it original Tommy’s 2.0 and duplicates marketing of parents business and basically saying we’re back! ya think in n out should just be like that’s cool good luck.

There are no law suits. Talked with Barron’s owner. The 240 is gone. No rights to a boat that has no mold. And has not been produced since 2005. The new and improved 242s is now going to take over. The 242 will be faster with the delta. Seats are in. See photo.

 

[hallett21]

There are no law suits. Talked with Barron’s owner. The 240 is gone. No rights to a boat that has no mold. And has not been produced since 2005. The new and improved 242s is now going to take over. The 242 will be faster with the delta. Seats are in. See photo.

Excited to hear numbers with the new bottom

 

[DarkHorseRacing]

I had a guy with a 22 Vaughn contact me via this forum and ask me to take a number of hull measurements from my 24 Schiada to compare with his Vaughn. According to him they did not match.

A 24 Schiada is not a full 24' more like 23'6" if I remember correctly.

I'll take you out anytime Joe and you can give it a spin and see if it rides similar to the Howard.

Technically the 24 is a 22.6 or something. You can get a 22SR that looks a lot like the 24. Not sure if they specifically alter the mold but I doubt it.

 

[RiverDave]

While we are at it, let's talk about the Howard 22 and Vaughn 22.......same boat....different names. It was also said the 22 Howard was a shortened 24 Schiada.

I believe the Vaughn came first and the Howard came off the Vaughn.. both are shortened 24 schiada’s..

That said neither work as well as a 24 Schiada because they ditched the most important part.

RD

 

[RiverDave]

Rumor has it they got it for $300,000
So, more than that

5-600

 

[Gelcoater]

5-600

You saying they got it for 5-6 or selling for 5-6?
If it’s indeed 5-6 to buy that’s a fair number.

 

[hallett21]

You saying they got it for 5-6 or selling for 5-6?
If it’s indeed 5-6 to buy that’s a fair number.

It’s worth everything and nothing all at the same time lol.

 

[Runs2rch]

You saying they got it for 5-6 or selling for 5-6?
If it’s indeed 5-6 to buy that’s a fair number.

It was closer to 1 mil if I remember right.

 

[Gelcoater]

It was closer to 1 mil if I remember right.

Rumor mill number I heard was 300k, pissed me off.
Woulda leveraged everything to get it for that.
Doesn’t matter now.

 

[Melloyellovector]

There are no law suits. Talked with Barron’s owner. The 240 is gone. No rights to a boat that has no mold. And has not been produced since 2005. The new and improved 242s is now going to take over. The 242 will be faster with the delta. Seats are in. See photo.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m stoked for you.
I’m trying to not post and side track your build. Lol
i dont recall saying there’s a lawsuit ( yet ) but I can confirm Barron’s not being transparent or has some realllllllly thick rose colored glasses.

 

[Hammer]

There are no law suits. Talked with Barron’s owner. The 240 is gone. No rights to a boat that has no mold. And has not been produced since 2005. The new and improved 242s is now going to take over. The 242 will be faster with the delta. Seats are in. See photo.

Okay- can you give some back up
On why and how the new 242 with a Delta is going to be faster? Who designed the bottom and why does the delta make it improved?

I understand the concept of a delta pad. But is it proven that it will be better than the original Bud Bailey bottom? What other changes were made to make it perform better? I heard it’s going to run 80-90’s?

 

[RiverDave]

You saying they got it for 5-6 or selling for 5-6?
If it’s indeed 5-6 to buy that’s a fair number.

I’d say you’d have to ask them but 5-6 is what I heard

 

[RiverDave]

Rumor mill number I heard was 300k, pissed me off.
Woulda leveraged everything to get it for that.
Doesn’t matter now.

Even if someone bought it for 300 you’d need at least 1-2 mill to get it off the ground from where it was.. and that is running seriously thin IMO

 

[RiverDave]

Don’t get me wrong, I’m stoked for you.
I’m trying to not post and side track your build. Lol
i dont recall saying there’s a lawsuit ( yet ) but I can confirm Barron’s not being transparent or has some realllllllly thick rose colored glasses.

Agreed.. they got the cease and desist.. but who knows on what happens next.

240 was listed as A asset when they purchased.. but I can see the other side as well

All I’m saying is if I was gonna tie 2-300 (minimum) to try and deal with Randy’s empire I’d take the alternative approach and just buy the thing and try to get it as cheap as possible.


Who knows maybe he takes 5 in which case your money ahead? I dunno..

Not my circus not my problem.
RD

 

[J DUNN]

Okay- can you give some back up
On why and how the new 242 with a Delta is going to be faster? Who designed the bottom and why does the delta make it improved?

I understand the concept of a delta pad. But is it proven that it will be better than the original Bud Bailey bottom? What other changes were made to make it perform better? I heard it’s going to run 80-90’s?

They splashed the Halldic bottom from the new 27 and made it shorter, it will be faster! Plus, it's blue and white AND has a new vent style, you bet your A$$ it will be faster!

PS. HIH sounds and looks better than BIH!

 

[RiverDave]

They splashed the Halldic bottom from the new 27 and made it shorter, it will be faster! Plus, it's blue and white AND has a new vent style, you bet your A$$ it will be faster!

PS. HIH sounds and looks better than BIH!

I think you are way wrong..

The 275 is a 28 heat bottom Hallet”esque” top..

This looks like a 240 with a pad and changes to the deck.

I actually really like the boat they built.. I don’t care for the vent setup.. but overall looks nice.

RD

 

[J DUNN]

I think you are way wrong..

The 275 is a 28 heat bottom Hallet”esque” top..

This looks like a 240 with a pad and changes to the deck.

I actually really like the boat they built.. I don’t care for the vent setup.. but overall looks nice.

RD

Sarcasm

vents and colors make a boat go faster?

 

[Melloyellovector]

Hell iv considered buying hallett. no stock hulls. Only wood used would be inlays and or flooring. I wouldn’t chase “the market”
It would be more schiada style, true custom, and no duplicating previous builds

The biggest problem is there’s so many molds the property to house it all will exceed the cost of the company

 

[OC Mike]

Tough Crowd.
All this being said, It's a nice boat and I hope BradnBecky enjoy the hell out it.

 

[JFMFG]

When does Barron expect this to be on the water?

 

[Runs2rch]

Okay- can you give some back up
On why and how the new 242 with a Delta is going to be faster? Who designed the bottom and why does the delta make it improved?

I understand the concept of a delta pad. But is it proven that it will be better than the original Bud Bailey bottom? What other changes were made to make it perform better? I heard it’s going to run 80-90’s?

Some later 240's had the pad. With a 565 light load should run almost 80. Faster if they laid it up lighter?

 

[Jay Dub]

Some later 240's had the pad. With a 565 light load should run almost 80. Faster if they laid it up lighter?

Interesting. I have never seen a 240 with a pad. Lets hope @BradnBecky keep us updated. I also hope they bring their beautiful boat to HIH in October.

 

[FROGMAN524]

I think you are way wrong..

The 275 is a 28 heat bottom Hallet”esque” top..

This looks like a 240 with a pad and changes to the deck.

I actually really like the boat they built.. I don’t care for the vent setup.. but overall looks nice.

RD

when are the boat tests coming back? Are you gonna run this thing for an exposé?

 

[RiverDave]

when are the boat tests coming back? Are you gonna run this thing for an exposé?

I really do need to get back into that. .


RD

 

[SpectraPat]

We are sticking with 565. We still pull kids on tubes and wake surf. And I had the 454MPI with 375 HP in my old 210 and I ran in the 70s. Logan now owns it down in Parker. So 565 HP on a 3 foot bigger boat I am guessing I’ll still run 70 and that is fast enough. Thanks for the suggest though.

2FORCEFULL’s 240 with a 525efi

 

[SkyDirtWaterguy]

2FORCEFULL’s 240 with a 525efi

I love that the Bimini top stayed intact at 75 mph!

 

[Runs2rch]

I love that the Bimini top stayed intact at 75 mph!

Mesh strip through the middle. Makes all the difference.

 

[C_J_J_C]

Mesh strip through the middle. Makes all the difference.

We redid a bimini 5ish years ago and were talked into the "Speed Strip." We never had issues with the old bimini and always cruised 35 to maybe 50 but if we did speed runs 50+ we put it down. The idea of never putting it down sold us.

We did red solid with a light gray mesh strip to match the boat. The mesh felt like it let 85%+ of the sun through. The bimini became worthless almost. If we had not sold the boat we would have redone it again. Everyone HATED it.

 

[Runs2rch]

We redid a bimini 5ish years ago and were talked into the "Speed Strip." We never had issues with the old bimini and always cruised 35 to maybe 50 but if we did speed runs 50+ we put it down. The idea of never putting it down sold us.

We did red solid with a light gray mesh strip to match the boat. The mesh felt like it let 85%+ of the sun through. The bimini became worthless almost. If we had not sold the boat we would have redone it again. Everyone HATED it.

All of the ones I have had were white mesh center strips. Probably kept out 85 plus percent.

 

[adam909]

We redid a bimini 5ish years ago and were talked into the "Speed Strip." We never had issues with the old bimini and always cruised 35 to maybe 50 but if we did speed runs 50+ we put it down. The idea of never putting it down sold us.

We did red solid with a light gray mesh strip to match the boat. The mesh felt like it let 85%+ of the sun through. The bimini became worthless almost. If we had not sold the boat we would have redone it again. Everyone HATED it.

I think everyone gets sold on the mesh thinking its a good idea. Fuck that I want 100% pure shade.

 

[QC22]

I think everyone gets sold on the mesh thinking its a good idea.

Plus some of them whistle like crazy!!

 

[OkHallett270]

Mine is 100% mesh, teal with a white stripe. I love it. It’s just enough shade and stays up at full tilt no issues.

 

[Melloyellovector]

I love that the Bimini top stayed intact at 75 mph!

I run my biminis up at all speeds. they all have mesh strips, 90-100 w bimini up and with actual gps speedo’s not the water pitot tube that old 240 had. It’s 75 was likely mid 60s

 

[Backlash]

I saw this new Barron today and figured I'd share some pics. It was a beautiful boat!! The gelcoat looks prettier on person. There is a really fine metal flake that really pops in the sun. The pictures don't do it justice!

@Gelcoater is this one you sprayed??

 

[Gelcoater]

I saw this new Barron today and figured I'd share some pics. It was a beautiful boat!! The gelcoat looks prettier on person. There is a really fine metal flake that really pops in the sun. The pictures don't do it justice!

@Gelcoater is this one you sprayed??

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I don’t remember doing it.
Might be a David Holland from Shockwave job?
I’ve done most of the Barron stuff, he did a few when I was knee swollen, ankle bent or just can’t do it right now.

 

[Backlash]

I don’t remember doing it.
Might be a David Holland from Shockwave job?
I’ve done most of the Barron stuff, he did a few when I was knee swollen, ankle bent or just can’t do it right now.

I wish I had better pics because the flake was really nice, but subtle. It wasn't overpowering or obnoxious, so nice job to whoever was behind the gun.

 

[old rigger]

I don’t remember doing it.
Might be a David Holland from Shockwave job?
I’ve done most of the Barron stuff, he did a few when I was knee swollen, ankle bent or just can’t do it right now.

There's a name from the past! He was one of the gel coaters in rotation at Rogers. Larry Cobb was another.
Damn, 40-45 years ago.

 

[Gelcoater]

There's a name from the past! He was one of the gel coaters in rotation at Rogers. Larry Cobb was another.
Damn, 40-45 years ago.

The guy is a beast. Over 70 and still doing it.