Anyone try paint sealant instead of wax on their boat?

[Ibeplumbing]

I know wax has always been the good ole go to for almost everything. But synthetic paint sealants have come a long way. The amount of time it lasts vs even a good wax is insane. Up to 2 years on some products, most 6 months to a year. They give a good finish, and are supposed to protect the same or better. That being said, anyone ever use them on their boat? I've always used wax as I'm sure most of you have, but it sure would be nice to have a product last that long with all the sun and water abuse our boats take.

 

[RiverDave]

Are you talking about those Synwaxes and the Nanowaxes?

RD

 

[Enen]

I'm building a new truck. Going to have these guys do this to the paint. If it works as advertised, I'll have them do my 32.


[video=youtube_https;s9-UL8ZmAaM]https://youtu.be/s9-UL8ZmAaM[/video]

 

[Riverbound]

I had it done on my RV and am battling with the company right now. The gel on my trailer is oxidizing really bad and it's only happening where the product was applied. I had the graphics removed the day after I took delivery and the areas where the graphics were are not having issues and look great. But the rest of the trailer is very chalky and yellowing.

 

[RiverDave]

I'm building a new truck. Going to have these guys do this to the paint. If it works as advertised, I'll have them do my 32.


[video=youtube_https;s9-UL8ZmAaM]https://youtu.be/s9-UL8ZmAaM[/video]

What does it do? I just watched that whole video and it just looks deep black?

RD

 

[Ibeplumbing]

Are you talking about those Synwaxes and the Nanowaxes?

RD

Not necessarily, more along the lines of this stuff.
http://www.autogeekmobile.net/wg5500.html

http://www.autogeekmobile.net/klashiggloss.html


True polymer products, not blends. Many products out there now that are "wax" are just blends with polymers. Not that I'm opposed to those I guess.

 

[Ibeplumbing]

I had it done on my RV and am battling with the company right now. The gel on my trailer is oxidizing really bad and it's only happening where the product was applied. I had the graphics removed the day after I took delivery and the areas where the graphics were are not having issues and look great. But the rest of the trailer is very chalky and yellowing.

Interesting, do you know what they used? That sucks man, how long has it been since you had it done?

 

[Riverbound]

Interesting, do you know what they used? That sucks man, how long has it been since you had it done?

I bought the trailer just under 3 years ago. And the product was supposed to have a 5 year warranty. I will look it up and post what product it was.

 

[Enen]

What does it do? I just watched that whole video and it just looks deep black?

RD

Here is the direct quote from their website. As I understand it, they apply a nine layer crystal polymer finish to the paint. It seals and protects it better than the clear film products.


Glass and crystal coatings are the latest and most revolutionary way to protect the paint on your vehicle or aircraft on the market today. Using nanotechnology, these coatings bind to the surface creating an extremely durable and protective layer; separating your vehicles paint and interior surfaces from the harsh elements of the environment.

 

[Outdrive1]

Pure carnauba for me. Fuck all the hocus-pocus shit.

 

[Enen]

Pure carnauba for me. Fuck all the hocus-pocus shit.

Didn't you say the same thing about synthetic engine oil?

 

[Zack @ Bling Sauce]

There is some cool technology in sealants and I expect them to become more prevalent in years to come. In fact, Hot Sauce contains certain sealants to help maintain and protect the wax coat when wiping down.

As I see it, the biggest challenge to the sealants/coatings offering multi-year protection is in their complex application process and surface prep requirements. To do it right takes a lot of time and costs big $. If not applied correctly, the surface is left unprotected and subject to UV damage which can come as a surprise when you paid for 2-5 years of protection.

In addition, the shine achieved by a fresh coat of carnauba or Montan wax (like Quickie Sauce) cannot be duplicated by the current polymers available on the market. These polymers often offer increased protection but the trade off being diminished shine.

Personally, I prefer waxing a couple times per year and knowing that the surface is fully protected but there are lots of different schools of thought there and a variety of products that fit everyone's agenda.

-Zack

 

[GET SOME]

I have found that sealant is the best base coat. It will not give you a deep shine/highgloss wet look. I apply carnauba wax on top of the sealant to get that deep shine.

 

[Taboma]

Are these sealants being discussed the same that the new car dealerships try hard to peddle ? :grumble:

 

[YOLO]

I just had cquartz(ceramic coating) applied to my boat. The stuff is pretty crazy in how it seems to absolutely reject the buildup of the typical scumline and waterspots we normally see. It's really shiny. The question is how long it will last. It was expensive as it takes a lot of product, expertise, and time (2 days) to properly do a boat my size. The finish ends up around .5 mil thick and almost looks like it has a second coat of clear on it. We get a lot of soot buildup on these M series boats with the overhang over the transom. It traps all the exhaust under there and makes a mess. Before the coating it would take almost as much time to wipe up the transom as to wipe down the rest of the boat. Used every damn cleaning product known to man and nothing worked very well. With the coating it cleans up with a dry towel! I still wipe down with hot sauce for its benefits. Like I said, we will see if it pass the test of time but for now I'm impressed.

 

[Havasteve]

Pure carnauba for me. Fuck all the hocus-pocus shit.

I use pure Carnuba wax. The new products seem to require too much blind faith. I hear Mumbo Jumbo. A good finish takes work, if it's easy to apply and remove you may as well use a can of Lemin Pledge

I've never even heard of gel on a trailer, so

 

[Outdrive1]

I just had cquartz(ceramic coating) applied to my boat. The stuff is pretty crazy in how it seems to absolutely reject the buildup of the typical scumline and waterspots we normally see. It's really shiny. The question is how long it will last. It was expensive as it takes a lot of product, expertise, and time (2 days) to properly do a boat my size. The finish ends up around .5 mil thick and almost looks like it has a second coat of clear on it. We get a lot of soot buildup on these M series boats with the overhang over the transom. It traps all the exhaust under there and makes a mess. Before the coating it would take almost as much time to wipe up the transom as to wipe down the rest of the boat. Used every damn cleaning product known to man and nothing worked very well. With the coating it cleans up with a dry towel! I still wipe down with hot sauce for its benefits. Like I said, we will see if it pass the test of time but for now I'm impressed.

The soot removal part is appealing. Removing the soot from my transom is the worst part for me too. I use simple green. Lime away. Hot sauce and then usually a spray way just on the transom. [emoji1418]

 

[TCHB]

I had a lot of samples of these products from SEMA show. I tried most of them on the boat and RV and found out they lasted about the same as wax.

 

[ToMorrow44]

Its funny I was talking with Gelcoater on here a while back about my white gelcoat starting to yellow. He said a likely cause is carnuba wax and that most people thing its the best stuff out there, but its known to yellow gelcoat. He actually recommended a polymer based wax like what's being discussed here.

 

[Monstrous]

Any discussion on cutting the "yellowing" of the gel coat?

 

[Chili Palmer]

The soot removal part is appealing. Removing the soot from my transom is the worst part for me too. I use simple green. Lime away. Hot sauce and then usually a spray way just on the transom. [emoji1418]

The best product for transom soot removal that I have ever used is lemon scented Scrubbing Bubbles, spray it on and wipe it off, afterwards hit it with a shot PBC and wipe it down.

 

[Zack @ Bling Sauce]

I just had cquartz(ceramic coating) applied to my boat. The stuff is pretty crazy in how it seems to absolutely reject the buildup of the typical scumline and waterspots we normally see. It's really shiny. The question is how long it will last. It was expensive as it takes a lot of product, expertise, and time (2 days) to properly do a boat my size. The finish ends up around .5 mil thick and almost looks like it has a second coat of clear on it. We get a lot of soot buildup on these M series boats with the overhang over the transom. It traps all the exhaust under there and makes a mess. Before the coating it would take almost as much time to wipe up the transom as to wipe down the rest of the boat. Used every damn cleaning product known to man and nothing worked very well. With the coating it cleans up with a dry towel! I still wipe down with hot sauce for its benefits. Like I said, we will see if it pass the test of time but for now I'm impressed.

Please keep us posted as to the longevity. Heard very good things about the CQuartz coating. Downside is cost and need for professional application. I believe they do sell the product retail but there's real possibility of damage if applied incorrectly.

The soot removal part is appealing. Removing the soot from my transom is the worst part for me too. I use simple green. Lime away. Hot sauce and then usually a spray way just on the transom. [emoji1418]

Try hitting the transom with Quickie Sauce or your favorite spray wax prior to dropping the boat in the water. Should help prevent the soot from sticking and save you some cleanup time afterward.

I had a lot of samples of these products from SEMA show. I tried most of them on the boat and RV and found out they lasted about the same as wax.

Excluding the specialty items that sell for hundreds of dollars for surprisingly small amounts and take 48 hours to properly apply/cure, I think that's pretty much in line with most sealants available through typical retailers. Sealant has become more of a buzzword for non-carnauba wax.

Its funny I was talking with Gelcoater on here a while back about my white gelcoat starting to yellow. He said a likely cause is carnuba wax and that most people thing its the best stuff out there, but its known to yellow gelcoat. He actually recommended a polymer based wax like what's being discussed here.

Very common issue, especially in boats that are otherwise well maintained and waxed regularly. Gelcoater could probably explain better than I could but basically gelcoat is porous and old wax tends to get stuck in the pores. Normally carnauba wax will oxidize and flake off with time but if it gets trapped in the pores it will turn brown/yellow over time giving a yellowed look to otherwise clean, white gelcoat.

Any discussion on cutting the "yellowing" of the gel coat?

If you think the yellowing is due to old carnauba wax buildup, I'd suggest an acid wash using a vinegar or muriatic acid and water mix (depending on how bad). The acid will strip off the old wax so you can start fresh.


-Zack

 

[Willie B]

... Been using this combination of products for decades... The 3M heavy duty rubbing compound for extremely oxidized gel or paint...the Auto Magic surface magic to get rid of swirls and the Auto Magic paint sealant that lasts about a year depending on weather conditions...
... The 3M product is available at automotive paint stores... the auto magic products come from distributors to detail shops...
... I have always used a different moist buffing pad for each product...

 

[Ibeplumbing]

When I lived in California I used to use Mark V detailing products, I called them today to get their take on it. Basically what he told me is that the polymer products will last longer, both work. The polymer will not chalk or yellow. He said he would recommend a polymer over wax. If I'm really nervous about it, it would not hurt to wax over the sealant

 

[VoodooMedMan]

When I lived in California I used to use Mark V detailing products, I called them today to get their take on it. Basically what he told me is that the polymer products will last longer, both work. The polymer will not chalk or yellow. He said he would recommend a polymer over wax. If I'm really nervous about it, it would not hurt to wax over the sealant

That's the stuff I used. New boat owner is thrilled.

Simple yearly wax and then the pink "showroom finish" spray wax after coming off the water. For the transom I'd use non skid deck and hull cleaner (Meguires until I couldn't find it then Star Brite) and then bit with the pink stuff.

That 20 dollar gallon is supposed to mix 50/50 with water. I always used RO or bottled. So basically 8 32 ounce bottles for 20 bucks instead of 1 bottle. Last a couple years instead of 20 bucks to last a few trips.