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Holy sheet! Driven across that bridge many times.
 

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Terrible. You can see there were vehicles that were on it. :( :mad:

EDIT: Calling it a Mass Casualty Event hit by a Singapore flagged container ship.

Do they not use Pilots in this Harbor?
 
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terror attack? Or accident?

Crazy and sad regardless.
 

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Probably shouldn't jump to conclusions, but at 15 seconds the black smoke starts pouring out and a right turn begins towards the bridge support, looks deliberate to me. Praying for the victims.☹️
 

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Looks like the ship lost power for a time. Absolutely brutal result. It’ll be a miracle if there isn’t doesn’t of casualties. I imagine all that twisted steel trapped occupants in their cars.
 

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Maybe I am seeing it differently then some, but looks like they past the upright then the boat reversed into it.
 

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Probably shouldn't jump to conclusions, but at 15 seconds the black smoke starts pouring out and a right turn begins towards the bridge support, looks deliberate to me. Praying for the victims.☹️
Sure looks fishy, why so close to the pillar to begin with?
I wonder where the shipping channel is?
 

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Think it was on purpose?


Another Video floating around (sorry I don't have a link) shows it lose power twice right before it hit the bridge.

It looks like there was a construction crew on the bridge at the time as well unfortionantly. Notice the safty lights in the middle of the bridge.
 

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Maybe I am seeing it differently then some, but looks like they past the upright then the boat reversed into it.
Just to be clear when a ship of this size has any kind of momentum you don't just pump the brakes and stop. There appears to have been a power loss issue and possibly a mechanical issue which may effect steerage. If the pilot ordered hard reverse in an effort to regain control I could see the appearance of that movement. To be clear here, having spent time aboard an oil tanker and witnessing the result of a minor bumping of another bridge by another ship, This is pure speculation on my part based on my past experiences. I'm sure some of our experienced Mariners and Coasties can provide better input or opinions. Personally, I'll be interested to hear the reports after the Coast Guard and NTSB finish their investigations.
 

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Apperas to be fuel from cars under water on the section away from the ship. Bridge lanes laying across the bow.

pretty sad.
 

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One news report said two harbor pilots were on board in addition to the crew. That should (only help) move the cause away from deliberate.
God help those in the water. Night time, 50 ft deep and 47 degrees. 😳
 

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One commenter from the YT video. He may know more than the media about this scenario

"ship lost all controls, tugs were already cut loose. Ships aren't required to have escorts through the bridge. Pilot called and had bridge traffic halted, tugs couldn't get back to the ship in time once all controls were lost. All correct and immediate protocols were taken, just an extremely catastrophic unfortunate event.That's from someone that works for McAllister towing on the water out of Baltimore"
 

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:oops:I know that's a HUGE ship that weighs hundreds of tons . . . but I'm surprised how 'fragile' that whole bridge was proportionately.
I sure won't look at bridges the same anymore.
 

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It does not look intentional…….

I am also guessing that the freighter does not have enough insurance to cover the bridge replacement.

I am curious………. How much does it cost to replace bridge? I am guessing it’s north of 100 million. Probably a lot more.
 

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It does not look intentional…….

I am also guessing that the freighter does not have enough insurance to cover the bridge replacement.

I am curious………. How much does it cost to replace bridge? I am guessing it’s north of 100 million. Probably a lot more.
^^^this^^^

I'm sure it wasn't intentional. Were mistakes made? Almost definitely and new protocols will come about.
 

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I just can't imagine driving in your car, at night, across a bridge and suddenly you, your car and the bridge are going down in the river.

Horrible for the people on the bridge at that moment.
 

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How busy is that port, and is that the only passage in and out? Cleanup will be massive...and rescue and recovery operations will difficult at best.

Very sad for those on the bridge ad their families 😔
 

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How busy is that port, and is that the only passage in and out? Cleanup will be massive...and rescue and recovery operations will difficult at best.

Very sad for those on the bridge ad their families 😔
Its one of the busiest ports in the US & 14, but has been growing... or now was....
 

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I just drove this bridge in Google earth. That’s a big as bridge!

Demo is going to take a very long time and it’s the only way in or out.
Well, if the Navy was put into play, I believe they have a massive facility with the required equipment fairly close by. It seems like this would be both good training, and a really good chance for the administration to earn brownie points. I'm sure the Navy folk would love to do work for our own. Now's a time to flex and get stuff done. This country has the ability, if allowed to try.
 

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Everyone: P Diddy is running, he's guilty AF

democrats: Look, a bridge collapse

I guess I'm a Democrat because I care a whole lot more about the bridge than I do about P Diddy. Maybe I'm misinterpreting your post.
 

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I guess I'm a Democrat because I care a whole lot more about the bridge than I do about P Diddy. Maybe I'm misinterpreting your post.
You are misinterpreting it, take the attention off of the biden supporting sex trafficker and look over here at a bridge collapse.

For the record I don't believe this to be intentional but it's weird that the "Hey look over here not over there" shit happens quite often.
 

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Well, if the Navy was put into play, I believe they have a massive facility with the required equipment fairly close by. It seems like this would be both good training, and a really good chance for the administration to earn brownie points. I'm sure the Navy folk would love to do work for our own. Now's a time to flex and get stuff done. This country has the ability, if allowed to try.
Norfolk is right die. The bay 160 miles as the crow flies.

We could get all of the illegals to do the demo in exchange for green cards. I bet the job would be done by super.
 

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You are misinterpreting it, take the attention off of the biden supporting sex trafficker and look over here at a bridge collapse.

For the record I don't believe this to be intentional but it's weird that the "Hey look over here not over there" shit happens quite often.
Yeah, I get that. Wag the dog, right?
Thankfully, it sounds like they were able to stop most people from getting on the bridge due to the mayday call.
 
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So sad. The only other crossing close to the area, I believe if it's still open, is an underwater vehicle tunnel that was always congested if I recall. Gonna be a rough on the locals and emergency personnel for a very long time.
Condolences to the deceased and their loved ones. 🙏
 

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One news report said two harbor pilots were on board in addition to the crew. That should (only help) move the cause away from deliberate.
God help those in the water. Night time, 50 ft deep and 47 degrees. 😳

And 180' fall...
 

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Very good video link posted by inmate Wolskis. There will be no shortage of accusations, assumptions and 'experts'. This video showed only the facts, as currently known. I've passed under that bridge many times. We operated out of Baltimore for over a year. Passed under that bridge every time we arrived or departed. We always used a pilot. Recall there were Chesapeake Bay pilots and local harbor pilots. That area is known as the Patapsco River. Although, as I recall it didn't feel like a river, no strong currents. Tidal range was only about 1.5 ft. In any case, pilots are there to advise only, using their local knowledge and giving speed and steering commands. Given the apparent power failures, the Master very likely took command from the pilot when they occurred. (Yes, that's just an assumption). I found the harbor to be well marked and safe. Safer than the bad neighborhood near our berth, which was just to the west of the Cruise Ship terminal. The cause of this catastrophe will be determined. Maresk Shipping was the operator. Largest shipping company in the world. The US Navy does have a substantial presence in Norfolk VA. That's at the south end of Chesapeake Bay, Baltimore is at the north end. Baltimore is a very busy commercial port. Until they get the destroyed bridge debris cleared, no ships can enter or depart.
 

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Very good video link posted by inmate Wolskis. There will be no shortage of accusations, assumptions and 'experts'. This video showed only the facts, as currently known. I've passed under that bridge many times. We operated out of Baltimore for over a year. Passed under that bridge every time we arrived or departed. We always used a pilot. Recall there were Chesapeake Bay pilots and local harbor pilots. That area is known as the Patapsco River. Although, as I recall it didn't feel like a river, no strong currents. Tidal range was only about 1.5 ft. In any case, pilots are there to advise only, using their local knowledge and giving speed and steering commands. Given the apparent power failures, the Master very likely took command from the pilot when they occurred. (Yes, that's just an assumption). I found the harbor to be well marked and safe. Safer than the bad neighborhood near our berth, which was just to the west of the Cruise Ship terminal. The cause of this catastrophe will be determined. Maresk Shipping was the operator. Largest shipping company in the world. The US Navy does have a substantial presence in Norfolk VA. That's at the south end of Chesapeake Bay, Baltimore is at the north end. Baltimore is a very busy commercial port. Until they get the destroyed bridge debris cleared, no ships can enter or depart.
I spoke to my brother who has been on a west coast oil tanker for a decade and is a 2nd mate now. He said that although he has never been on a container ship, he wouldn't expect a container ship to be tug assisted until berthing. I find that kind of crazy. Would you expect this ship to be tug assisted at this point in the waterway? Would a tug have any chance of keeping this catastrophe from occurring?

on edit, watched that video above, it wasn't clear if the tugs were still assisting, he mentions them early on but didn't catch any other mention of the tugs....watched it again...."the two tugs leave her, that is not uncommon"

Crazy.
 
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I can’t believe it folded like an erector set. 😳
 
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