I Always Wondered If the PoPo Did This!

[RVRKID]

Guess So!! Kind of chicken shit at least they are showing up for court..
http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2015...caught-driving-moments-after-losing-licenses/
Undercover Sting Busts DUI Offenders Caught Driving Moments After Losing Licenses

NEWPORT BEACH (CBSLA.com) ? An undercover sting in Newport Beach caught drivers behind the wheel just moments after exiting court with suspended licenses.

Orange County Sheriff?s deputies, undercover around the Newport Beach courthouse, targeting drivers they say had been previously busted for driving under the influence, and should not be driving, due to their suspensions.

?My license is on hold because I?m fighting a DUI,? cited driver Sergio Oseguera said. ?So I guess they saw when I got out, and they were looking for me. I guess they were spying on me, and they got me.?

Oseguera?s particular violation cost him his vehicle. He had to wait for a pickup while his SUV was impounded.

Officials say Oseguera is a multiple-DUI offender, and fits the bill of just the person they are looking for in the sting operation.

?They?re driving on a suspended license, which obviously is a violation of the law, but they all stem form a DUI case, and all the funding dollars and all the enforcing efforts that we?re doing are to combat driving under the influence,? OC Sheriff?s Department Lieutenant Jeff Hallock said.

?This is just one case of it.?

While Oseguera admitted that he should not have been driving without a valid license, he argues that he could not get a ride to his court date. Now he is looking at heavy fines and further legal trouble.

The important thing for him, he says, is that he?s remained sober.

?So far it?s been going good, and everything?s been positive so far; just this little mishap,? Oseguera said. ?But things happen for a reason. Hopefully I?ll manage to get over this one.?

Over the course of several hours, a total of eight ? seven men and one woman ? were cited, according to the Sheriff?s Department.

 

[Eggbeatn ur Ass]

Ill start by saying know one should ever drink and drive, we all know someone who has lost their life from alcohol related vehicle accidents and there is nothing fair about that. I do agree you get caught you need to do what is necessary to repay you debt to society. And yes you should've thought about the consequences of your actions. But I have many friends that have had a DUi. 9 out of 10 people need to drive to work to make money. Sometimes there is no other way to work, repay your fines, go to meetings or court dates without driving. So by getting caught you are once again rolling the dice by driving. When in reality you realized you made some bad choices and don't mind paying the fines, going to meetings and court. All some people are doing is trying to put it behind em, learn from their mistakes and get back to being a normal human with bills, mortgages, and responsibilities. I'm sure everyone here has never driven home after having a few too many... LIES. No one is proud of it after its happened. It just sucks you have to continue breaking the law by driving on a suspended license just to get your life back on track.

 

[RiverDave]

I'm not sure who's going to do it, but someday that entire DUI machine needs to be revamped..

RD

 

[RandyH]

I'm not sure who's going to do it, but someday that entire DUI machine needs to be revamped..

RD

10-4......lots of people make a lot of money from DUIs. It needs to change :thumbup:

 

[Old Texan]

A simple solution would be to issue a temporary driving permit to allow them to drive home. From there, apply for a restricted work driving permit.

Most of these folks make their situation worse with poor planning. It's the reason they get into the situation they are in far too often. They look for excuses far more than they look for solutions, most of which are available to them if they'd wake up and pay attention.

In addition to alcohol counseling, they need to receive counseling on how to make better decision and accepting responsibility for their actions.

 

[Warlock1]

This is one of those debates that will continue to rage on. While I agree that it isn't the best system, it is the system that we have. The more agreeable side of me thinks that it needs to be updated by taking into account body size, drinking ability and other factors that could prove your ability to function. While the other side thinks screw that. If you're going to drink make a plan. Plan to have a driver or a way home when you're done drinking. If you drink so much that no one will drive for you or you can't afford a taxi or whatever, then you need help anyway of which you won't seek it and need some kind of an intervention thrust upon you.

This would be a nite mare to try and make it into a manageable system. Can you imaging having to create the sobriety tests to compensate for all possible situations. you would have to consider any handicaps, other physical limitations, mental disabilities, simple ignorance, and I'm sure a whole host of other conditions that could mimic impairment.

That's just for the people that got stopped. Now you have to build the system for the testers. You would have to remove anything that would point to the test being unfair. Was the officer in a bad mood, Is the office a stick by the book person or are they a let it slide kind of person.

I am of the mindset that you know there is a law. Don't break it. Period. It's like someone said earlier, most of these issues are because some people didn't plan correctly.

 

[Gelcoater]

they need to receive counseling on how to make better decision and accepting responsibility for their actions.

They already had that,mom and or dad...who apparently didn't do a very good job teaching those particular aspects of life.

 

[Mr. C]

Even with it being a sting. wouldn't they still need probable cause to pull you over? I mean anybody could of been driving the car. Unless of course they watched said driver get in the car in the parking lot. But again wouldn't they still need a reason to pull him over. Or does the "sting" out weigh his rights.
Don't get me wrong not saying I want a repeat drunk on the road.

10-4......lots of people make a lot of money from DUIs. It needs to change :thumbup:

That's for damn sure. When I got mine the actual ticket was about $350. but by time they added on all the extras (everything from charging me for my DNA test to 75-100 bucks for the metal detector at the courthouse doors) ended up being about 1900 to leave the court.

 

[El Rojo]

With riding sharing apps so cheap and easy to use like uber and lyft, there is absolutely no more excuses...

 

[Backlash]

I think it's great! People have choices in life and when they make choices, those choices have consequences. If someone "Chooses" to drink and then "Chooses" to drive, those are the decisions THEY made. No one forced them to do it. If they are stopped and arrested for "Driving under the influence" and placed under arrest, that is the consequence for their choices. Deal with it.

Instead of looking at law enforcement as the "Bad guy" in this situation, why not THANK the law enforcement officer for stopping the intoxicated driver before they eventually killed another innocent motorist?? If the innocent motorist injured or killed by an intoxicated driver was your spouse, parent or child, would you feel the same way?

Current blood/alcohol legal limit in Cali is .08%. I can see that level being reduced to .05%.

I don't drink. At all. Ever. It's a personal choice I've made in my own life and something I'm proud of. I have absolutely nothing against alcohol or people who enjoy alcohol. My girlfriend is a social drinker and it is my responsibility to make certain she is safe and makes it home safely if she has had something to drink. For me, that gives me more satisfaction than consuming alcoholic beverages myself.

Carry on!

Henry

 

[t&y]

Lol... I hear the excuses all day long. News Flash... I had my license suspended early on in life. I rode my bike and used the bus to get around while working 50 hours a week and attending college at night. Suck it up and stop making excuses. If you are to the point where the judge will not issue a restricted license to drive to and from work you have much bigger issues behind the wheel and need to NOT BE DRIVING. And people are complaining because the cops are actually enforcing these laws... unbelievable.

 

[Backlash]

Personally, I think the fines need to be doubled or tripled. Our penalties are weak for a crime that has the potential to be so catastrophic and life-altering.

Henry

 

[RVRKID]

Personally, I think the fines need to be doubled or tripled. Our penalties are weak for a crime that has the potential to be so catastrophic and life-altering.

Henry

That is the key word potential, this is the only law that you get arrested, fined like hell and pay for 10 years for having POTENTIAL!

 

[Dettom]

Even with it being a sting. wouldn't they still need probable cause to pull you over? I mean anybody could of been driving the car. Unless of course they watched said driver get in the car in the parking lot. But again wouldn't they still need a reason to pull him over. Or does the "sting" out weigh his rights.
Don't get me wrong not saying I want a repeat drunk on the road.



That's for damn sure. When I got mine the actual ticket was about $350. but by time they added on all the extras (everything from charging me for my DNA test to 75-100 bucks for the metal detector at the courthouse doors) ended up being about 1900 to leave the court.

They don't necessarily have to develop probable cause. Here's why. When the suspended driver shows up for court, in most cases the officers already know you're suspended, (your appearance is on the court docket) When you leave court for whatever your appearance is, with your license still suspended, the undercover officer in the courtroom has already let the guys in the parking lot know that you're coming. When you get into your car and drive away, you're stopped. The driver has full knowledge his license is suspended so he can't say he didn't know. It is a pretty useful tool for keeping suspended drivers off the road. That is, until some court decides driving is a right, not a privilege. And that's probably on the horizon. I'm not going to pass judgement on someone who has been arrested for a DUI. That happens to a lot of people. But if you're suspended, your suspended. As a aside, sent to a DUI crash early in my career, where a whole family was incinerated in the car. I never forgot the image. The driver had almost a dozen DUI arrests at the time. I have a different perspective.

 

[Mr. C]

Thank you for the explanation. I probably shouldn't of used the word rights because like you said driving is a privilege.

They don't necessarily have to develop probable cause. Here's why. When the suspended driver shows up for court, in most cases the officers already know you're suspended, (your appearance is on the court docket) When you leave court for whatever your appearance is, with your license still suspended, the undercover officer in the courtroom has already let the guys in the parking lot know that you're coming. When you get into your car and drive away, you're stopped. The driver has full knowledge his license is suspended so he can't say he didn't know. It is a pretty useful tool for keeping suspended drivers off the road. That is, until some court decides driving is a right, not a privilege. And that's probably on the horizon. I'm not going to pass judgement on someone who has been arrested for a DUI. That happens to a lot of people. But if you're suspended, your suspended. As a aside, sent to a DUI crash early in my career, where a whole family was incinerated in the car. I never forgot the image. The driver had almost a dozen DUI arrests at the time. I have a different perspective.

 

[crzy2bealive]

I had my license suspended 5 years ago I made my gf drive me around lol

 

[Motor Boater]

I grew up I a fairly small town and had some buddies that got DUI's. One guy use to let other people drive his jeep around since his license was suspended and he felt bad for never driving. One night cop pulls the jeep over because he knew the car and knew my buddy's license was suspended. U can imagine his surprise when he came to the window and someone else was driving. Total BS.

 

[530RL]

The article stated;

"My license is on hold because I'm fighting a DUI", cited driver Sergio Oseguera said. "So I guess they saw when I got out, and they were looking for me. I guess they were spying on me, and they got me."

I just wonder why is it right to suspend a license for someone not yet convicted?

If he was found innocent, it wouldn't be the first time as even people here on RDP have been detained/arrested for extended periods even after blowing a zero like Joker did?

 

[Mr. C]

The article stated;

"My license is on hold because I'm fighting a DUI", cited driver Sergio Oseguera said. "So I guess they saw when I got out, and they were looking for me. I guess they were spying on me, and they got me."

I just wonder why is it right to suspend a license for someone not yet convicted?

If he was found innocent, it wouldn't be the first time as even people here on RDP have been detained/arrested for extended periods even after blowing a zero like Joker did?

I think it is a DMV deal not so much the courts on the initial automatic suspension.

 

[HocusPocus]

I have seen them do similar things at the Victorville courthouse. Mostly people who have been cited for not having a license, then walking out to their cars and driving off.

 

[HBCraig]

My neighbor is Newport Beach PD. They are constantly having to defend themselves from the "big dollar" citizens in that town. Nothing but BS complaints and follow up. So much so that a lot of the force has moved to neighboring cities to work.

 

[Dettom]

The article stated;

"My license is on hold because I'm fighting a DUI", cited driver Sergio Oseguera said. "So I guess they saw when I got out, and they were looking for me. I guess they were spying on me, and they got me."

I just wonder why is it right to suspend a license for someone not yet convicted?

If he was found innocent, it wouldn't be the first time as even people here on RDP have been detained/arrested for extended periods even after blowing a zero like Joker did?

The DMV suspends your license pending conviction. It's an administrative action, not a court action. When something is a privilege and not a right, they have much more latitude. That's why the fees and such are so high. They are administrative penalties.

 

[Dettom]

A simple solution would be to issue a temporary driving permit to allow them to drive home. From there, apply for a restricted work driving permit.

Most of these folks make their situation worse with poor planning. It's the reason they get into the situation they are in far too often. They look for excuses far more than they look for solutions, most of which are available to them if they'd wake up and pay attention.

In addition to alcohol counseling, they need to receive counseling on how to make better decision and accepting responsibility for their actions.

You're right. And they do. It's called an administrative per se. Essentially, when you're arrested for a DUI. Your license is confiscated and sent to DMV and you' re issued an administrative per se document. This is your "license" until such time you are or are not convicted. Once you are convicted and your license is officially suspended, you can't drive. The people in Newport that are getting popped have had their license officially suspended.