I don't want a flippin' RZR!

[QC22]

More like I don't want them flipping.... I have personally been on scene with 3 of these things flipping. One popped back on it's wheels, the other two I turned back over with my Jeep. The two that I righted were very low speed. I am guessing they tried to turn too sharply and goosed throttles. Here's the point/question: RZRs seem to flip if you look at them crosseyed, are CanAms less prone? We need some more seats, and I'd like to add a SxS, but this seems seriously excessive. WTF?

 

[RiverDave]

I have had a rhino a teryx several rzrs a seriously top heavy ranger crew a can am a couple more rzrs..

Weirdly I have never put one on its lid.. deduct what ya want from that

 

[MonkeyButt70]

More like I don't want them flipping.... I have personally been on scene with 3 of these things flipping. One popped back on it's wheels, the other two I turned back over with my Jeep. The two that I righted were very low speed. I am guessing they tried to turn too sharply and goosed throttles. Here's the point/question: RZRs seem to flip if you look at them crosseyed, are CanAms less prone? We need some more seats, and I'd like to add a SxS, but this seems seriously excessive. WTF?

Driving skills would be a good start for most users but we all know most owners just need to qualify for a monthly payment. These style of cars are easy to flip if you do not understand how to load and unload the suspension correctly. 2WD vs 4WD makes a big difference for turning as example. Keepit in 2WD unless otherwise needed and what most people do is let off the gas into a turn when the they panic and it unloads the clutch and upsets the driveline causing the suspension to unload and usually a rollover is the result. This is the common mistake people make doing doughnuts showing off to friends.

 

[QC22]

deduct what ya want from that

I'm sure it's a lot about talent, but it amazes me how many I've seen myself. I think it was New Years Eve day I righted one and another one went on two wheels after trying to T-bone me.

 

[QC22]

Driving skills would be a good start for most users but we all know most owners just need to qualify for a monthly payment. These style of cars are easy to flip if you do not understand how to load and unload the suspension correctly. 2WD vs 4WD makes a big difference for turning as example. Keepit in 2WD unless otherwise needed and what most people do is let off the gas into a turn when the they panic and it unloads the clutch and upsets the driveline causing the suspension to unload and usually a rollover is the result. This is the common mistake people make doing doughnuts showing off to friends.

This makes total sense to me and is consistent with the last one I dealt with. Had it in 4 and was trying to do a "donut"...

 

[satellitemike]

Monkeybutt and QC22 summed it up, lack of skills and seat time!
My son has been in two low speed roll overs as a passenger and both let off the throtle while starting a turn.
Just becasue you can afford the payment doesnt qualify you to drive it.
I know we have all seen people behind the wheel of a boat and asked why, no different w a SXS.

 

[DWC]

I know we have all seen people behind the wheel of a boat and asked why, no different w a SXS.

Come on Mike. At least i know it…. Don’t know why the rest of the crew didn’t get the hint.

PS. I’m not a horrible boat driver. Just really slow. Looking at this it may be due to the short arms.

 

[QC22]

no different w a SXS.

But boats don't usually end up upside down. I'm actually amazed they sell them with this as a "feature"...

Back to my basic question, are the later model Can-Ams less likely to flip? They look like they have a much lower CG, so assuming they're less prone to turtle. Dunno...

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Can ams are actually more prone to flipping at low speeds due to the geometry in the rear.

In the end it is just vehicle dynamics and car control. It’s the same as people falling off dirt bikes or quads. Stuff happens.

But boats don't usually end up upside down. I'm actually amazed they sell them with this as a "feature"...

Back to my basic question, are the later model Can-Ams less likely to flip? They look like they have a much lower CG, so assuming they're less prone to turtle. Dunno...

Do they now sell dirt bikes you can’t fall off of?

 

[Ladsm]

Like Dave I have had almost every type of SxS. I dont do doughnuts in camp and also do not run in 4WD constantly which can cause them to handle different. Its just like a jet ski, some drivers run out of talent faster than others.

 

[BingerFang]

Can ams are actually more prone to flipping at low speeds due to the geometry in the rear.

In the end it is just vehicle dynamics and car control. It’s the same as people falling off dirt bikes or quads. Stuff happens.



Do they now sell dirt bikes you can’t fall off of?

Yes they are called UTV’s.

 

[EPL]

More like I don't want them flipping.... I have personally been on scene with 3 of these things flipping. One popped back on it's wheels, the other two I turned back over with my Jeep. The two that I righted were very low speed. I am guessing they tried to turn too sharply and goosed throttles. Here's the point/question: RZRs seem to flip if you look at them crosseyed, are CanAms less prone? We need some more seats, and I'd like to add a SxS, but this seems seriously excessive. WTF?

I have had 6 RZR's and never flipped on yet but have rolled a few Canned Ham's back on the wheels !!

 

[QC22]

Do they now sell dirt bikes you can’t fall off of?

There's this whole 2 wheels vs 4 wheels deal, but if I forget that then maybe you have a point...

 

[satellitemike]

Come on Mike. At least i know it…. Don’t know why the rest of the crew didn’t get the hint.

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PS. I’m not a horrible boat driver. Just really slow. Looking at this it may be due to the short arms.
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Looks like Steph is even laughing at you, LOL.

 

[QC22]

I have had 6 RZR's and never flipped on yet but have rolled a few Canned Ham's back on the wheels !!

Roger. the kind of info I'm looking for. We'll probably get one, just wanting to understand better. My first hand experience is that the math indicates a severe issue, not just some people suck.

 

[satellitemike]

I have had 6 RZR's and never flipped on yet but have rolled a few Canned Ham's back on the wheels !!

Ive had 2 ranger crews and 3 rzrs, 900, 1000 and pro xp all 2 seaters and knock on wood, never been rubber side up.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Roger. the kind of info I'm looking for. We'll probably get one, just wanting to understand better. My first hand experience is that the math indicates a severe issue, not just some people suck.

There is not an inherent severe issue at all.

You just have to be aware of what you are doing and what the car is doing. Most of these rolls happen below 10 MPH in a turn or doing a donut. Some people roll them on the street driving a car with 20 inches of travel like a race car .

If you want to talk about the UTVs with the lowest center of gravity that are least likely to roll, look to cars without radius rods on the trailing arms… specifically a Wildcat or (gasp) Speed.

 

[Badchoices03]

The only rzr's I have seen flip were (2) were well deserved because they were doing donuts in camp and (1) was new driver that was driving way over his head trying to show off...

 

[throttle]

I am shocked that nobody has suggested trying another prop.

... or a Polaris Ranger Crew, seats for 6, with enclosed cab and AC. The Can Am defenders are cool too, I just felt at the time of my recent purchase that Polaris gave more bang for your buck.

Here is a link to what we finished up, its all around functional.

Throttle’s Ranger Crew xp1000 Northstar Ultimate buildup,

Keep it simple and functional, I said. Done with the dunes and don’t need to mob the desert. Need to find a cruiser to use at the lake and explore some new destinations. After selling a previous Polaris RZR xp4-1k built by TMW off-road I missed getting out in the desert. The thought of another...

www.riverdavesplace.com

 

[77charger]

Speeds won’t flip

 

[Bigbore500r]

With all of the travel and none of the width
Rzr's and Canned Hams both like to flip
Avoiding donuts during round the camp rips
Might keep you upright and off Desert Whips

 

[Lunatic Fringe]

There's an inherently unstable issue with relatively short wheel based, narrow, high speed off-road vehicles.
I have many thousands of miles on various UTV's without flipping but it's not always an inexperienced driver thing.

Our New Years camping group includes a very experienced driver, like past KOH winner experienced, and this year he put his Pro R on it's side. A slower speed tip without major damage.

It happens.

 

[Bowtiepower00]

It’s not a brand specific thing, these are softly sprung off-road vehicles with lots of body roll.

The common denominator I usually see, is a new inexperienced owner who has little to no experience doing any kind of aggressive driving, and they don’t understand the differences between a sxs and regular car.

Anyone who has experience driving offroad in other vehicles/ dirt bikes, etc, and driving them at the limit should have little issue.

Don’t get it the damn thing and drive it like a trophy truck and do donuts, and you’ll be fine.

The number of posts I see in the sxs forums of guys rolling their brand new cars first trip out is crazy.

Edit: I also see experienced guys letting their guard down at low speeds, like mentioned above.

 

[Xring01]

Its boils down to a few things
1. Driver Talent
2. Wheelbase/Width
3. Suspension Settings for the terrain

Most drivers have no clue about item 2 or 3.

 

[throttle]

These guys make valid points... everything flips. Saw a defender on its roof last month, like LF mentioned, "it happens".

Think weight transfer!!!

 

[Meaney77]

Its boils down to a few things
1. Driver Talent
2. Wheelbase/Width
3. Suspension Settings for the terrain

Most drivers have no clue about item 2 or 3.

I would often add # 1 in there as well....

 

[DRYHEAT]

I didn’t know Ralph Nader was an inmate.

 

[QC22]

I didn’t know Ralph Nader was an inmate.

LMAO! You think most inmates know who that is? Unsafe at any speed!

 

[QC22]

... or a Polaris Ranger Crew

Only no because our primary off-road vehicle is a Jeep. I have it kinda setup for the desert. I always say I’m as fast as the slowest RZR. I call it the RRV (RZR Recovery Vehicle). I flip them back over and drag broken ones home.

 

[Fastdadtsmith]

Surprised I haven't seen tires mentioned yet. You all know how those flexible sidewalls like to grab ruts, especially on slow speed turns or donuts.

 

[Pivot]

3000 miles in my can an. 1000 in my Kawi, 2000 in rhino. Not one on its side or lid.
Seat time......until then dont be robbie gordon.

I had my 1st real oh shit moment last Saturday. In a wash doing 45ish (no turns, clear vision) the can am must have 'packed' the suspension or shocks got hot. The car went sideways on its own, like on ice. I turned into it, let off gas and it straightened.
This wash was F ing horrible rough. Huge chop that was not lined up so each side was moving opposite up and down. More wheel base would have helped

Patience and not over driving is key.

 

[Pivot]

Surprised I haven't seen tires mentioned yet. You all know how those flexible sidewalls like to grab ruts, especially on slow speed turns or donuts.

this. My current tires have tons of tread left but the flexibility is gone. They lasted 2000 miles which is great

 

[530RL]

Anything can crash......

https://www.instagram.com/p/Cm1nlMlBnJH/?hl=en

 

[c_land]

There's this whole 2 wheels vs 4 wheels deal, but if I forget that then maybe you have a point...

Only the real drivers can do both