**Random Smog Checkpoints In CA??**

[RogerThat99]

A buddy of mine got held up today, on the way to work, in a Random Smog Checkpoint in Sacramento. Looked like a DUI checkpoint. Had police to manage the checkpoint, and technicians to check the vehicles. My buddy didn't get waived over, so didn't know what type of inspection they were performing.

This is total BS. We are now going to be delayed by these checkpoints? How can this be legal? (I doubt it is) California SUX!!

Thoughts??

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[c_land]

I think they are voluntary.

 

[RitcheyRch]

I remember reading that this is not mandatory and you are not obligated to allow the inspections.

 

[Cdog]

Where was this? A couple of years back they tried this over by John Wayne airport and the locals would flip them off as they drove by.

I wonder why they didn’t set up shop in Santa Ana?

 

[Cole Trickle]

been going on for a while...

 

[HitIt]

As has been stated, you can tell them that you dont want to participate.

 

[DEEZNUTS]

Tell them fuck off and be on your way. You smog your vehicle at every required interval to get your registration. You have no obligation to participate.

 

[rivrrts429]

@dribble

 

[RogerThat99]

As has been stated, you can tell them that you dont want to participate.

I agree 100%. The problem is that it still delays your travel.

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[Wadernation]

im CA but my zip code is smog exempt : ) what if they find something "in violation"?

 

[Bigbore500r]

im CA but my zip code is smog exempt : ) what if they find something "in violation"?

You may register the car in an "exempt" (change of ownership only) area, but that doesn't mean your allowed to tamper with the emissions equipment. They say these checkpoints are voluntary, and the point is to find non-compliant cars, and then see when their last smog check was and investigate the shop to flush out crooked smog shops. Not sure if the owner gets in trouble or not....
When i had my DPF deleted D-max i would flip a U-turn and get the hell out of dodge when I saw these, I didn't want to find out

 

[Taboma]

im CA but my zip code is smog exempt : ) what if they find something "in violation"?

I think you're only exempt from the testing, not the state and federal requirements.

 

[wsuwrhr]

....and they never chased yooooooor ass doooownnnn?

When i had my DPF deleted D-max i would flip a U-turn and get the hell out of dodge when I saw these, I didn't want to find out

 

[Classic Daycruiser]

Maybe it would be better if they called it an illegal immigration check point?

 

[DEEZNUTS]

im CA but my zip code is smog exempt : ) what if they find something "in violation"?

They wont because you don't participate in the roadside inspection. If you have current tags on your vehicle, you met the requirements the state and county set.

 

[DEEZNUTS]

IIRC, a few years ago they claimed this was done strictly as a statistical analysis of how "dirty" randomly chosen vehicles on the road were, and no citations were imposed. Which doesnt make sense because they have plenty of data available from all the thousands of smogged vehicles everyday.

But then again, that's from the roadside officers mouth, soo....

 

[82daytona]

A buddy of mine got held up today, on the way to work, in a Random Smog Checkpoint in Sacramento. Looked like a DUI checkpoint. Had police to manage the checkpoint, and technicians to check the vehicles. My buddy didn't get waived over, so didn't know what type of inspection they were performing.

This is total BS. We are now going to be delayed by these checkpoints? How can this be legal? (I doubt it is) California SUX!!

Thoughts??

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[Bigbore500r]

....and they never chased yooooooor ass doooownnnn?

I didnt' say "I went up to the checkpoint, flipped a bitch, and sped off"...." Lol
I would see the commotion up ahead and just off the street before hand. Truck was tall, you could see well. They typically have cones set up funneling the street into 2 lanes - one towards the inspection ramp, and one to waive you past. You can see the ramp setup a mile away, it's tall so they can look under your vehicle.
Screw all that!

 

[RCDave]

China Buffet first! Then the greenhouse gas checkpoint.....

 

[DEEZNUTS]

China Buffet first! Then the greenhouse gas checkpoint.....

That ought to skew some data.....

 

[wsuwrhr]

I can tell you what, I get that they aren't very excited if you bail on a smog checkpoint, do that ANYWHERE near a DUI checkpoint, they will chase you down from a mile away. They are SOOOOOOUPER pissed when you aren't drunk when they roll up on you three units deep, practically beating themselves off they are so excited thinking they have a "live one on" and they cant find anything wrong.....and look at you like you have a dick stickin out of your forehead when they ask why did you not go through the checkpoint and you tell them, "Why the fuck would I willing be any part of that mess?"

Brian

I didnt' say "I went up to the checkpoint, flipped a bitch, and sped off"...." Lol
I would see the commotion up ahead and just off the street before hand. Truck was tall, you could see well. They typically have cones set up funneling the street into 2 lanes - one towards the inspection ramp, and one to waive you past. You can see the ramp setup a mile away, it's tall so they can look under your vehicle.
Screw all that!

 

[HALLETT BOY]

Most likely the agency performing this debacle is being threatened by the state to receive less funding , so the agency goes on a fishing expedition and collects “data” to show how valuable they are . Years ago the BAR was threatened with dismantling, so they went undercover to numerous auto repair facilities and engaged in entrapment activities to show their worth .

 

[wsuwrhr]

By the way, here, they set it up at a point in the street where there really is no exit.....

I didnt' say "I went up to the checkpoint, flipped a bitch, and sped off"...." Lol
I would see the commotion up ahead and just off the street before hand. Truck was tall, you could see well. They typically have cones set up funneling the street into 2 lanes - one towards the inspection ramp, and one to waive you past. You can see the ramp setup a mile away, it's tall so they can look under your vehicle.
Screw all that!

 

[Bigbore500r]

By the way, here, they set it up at a point in the street where there really is no exit.....

Time to put it in 4wd then....

 

[Yellowboat]

Where was this?

 

[Echo Lodge]

About a year ago I was running Waze on my way to work. Smog Check point was posted. Saw the backup and took another route.

 

[jones performance]

fuck em.. decline and roll coal when you throttle out lol

 

[wsuwrhr]

Good luck with that.

Time to put it in 4wd then....

 

[dribble]

Most likely the agency performing this debacle is being threatened by the state to receive less funding , so the agency goes on a fishing expedition and collects “data” to show how valuable they are . Years ago the BAR was threatened with dismantling, so they went undercover to numerous auto repair facilities and engaged in entrapment activities to show their worth .

You are somewhat right and very wrong.

First. As stated you don't have to back up and take another route. Just say no thanks I'm in a hurry. The only reason that CHP is there is traffic control. BAR reps do not have the legal authority to stop or direct traffic.

Second. (Here's where you're right). It is a data gathering tool. California and about 39 other states have entered into an agreement with the EPA to conduct roadside inspections to monitor the effectiveness of the program. They do this with repair data and roadside testing. If the fail rate is much higher on roadside than it is in test stations, the EPA wants to know why. If it doesn't get similar data in both, the EPA will direct California to go to government run inspection stations. Nobody wants that. Be advised that nobody has ever been cited or flagged in a roadside inspection for illegal modifications. No one. The unit that handles roadside doesn't even share the data with enforcement.

Third. BAR was never threatened with dismantling. There was an effort by CARB (and actual legislation) to have CARB take over the administration of the program about a dozen years ago (and I can guarantee that nobody wants that either). BAR put that one to bed rather quickly. Keep in mind that BAR is run by car people (mechanics). The most recent deputy chief was a shop foreman at a Ford dealership. CARB is run by scientists and environmentalists. You do not want these people dictating how inspections are performed. When CARB tried to get motorcycles into the program BAR fought it and won, even though it would have increased revenues.

Fourth. BAR has never been threatened with less funding. When I started there in 1985 the budget was 25 million a year. When I retired in 2015, the budget was 160 million.

Fifth. Nobody gets entrapped. I personally have conducted over 300 undercover runs. Mainly on unlicensed, and flatout crooked auto repair shops. I once saw 92 year old woman get sold $1000.00 worth of fluid exchange services on a car with 11,000 miles on the clock. I would run those people all day long. For everyone I took out another would take their place. The runs are conducted on smog check stations because that too is part of the agreement with the EPA. But in order for a run to proceed there must be a trigger (data or otherwise).

 

[ka0tyk]

when the CHP officer flags you down just roll down the window, say hi, he'll ask you to pull forward. ask if you're under arrest. he'll say no. ask if you're free to go. he'll say yes. drive away. done deal.

they're only there to provide statistics to further castrate smog vehicles and create more anti-smog laws. nothing else. they'll never grab a prius and make it do the test, only the 1978 cadillac and a big truck. they need statistics!

 

[lbhsbz]

they're only there to provide statistics to further castrate smog vehicles and create more anti-smog laws. nothing else. they'll never grab a prius and make it do the test, only the 1978 cadillac and a big truck. they need statistics!

Wrong, and with the sort of clean horsepower we're seeing today, I'm not sure "castrate" is the term you're looking for.

 

[wsuwrhr]

Yea, and 40-50-60K cars now too.

The computers failing in new cars will obsolete them long before they are worn out, the secondary market is in trouble when all these new cars become old.

Brian

Wrong, and with the sort of clean horsepower we're seeing today, I'm not sure "castrate" is the term you're looking for.

 

[ka0tyk]

Wrong, and with the sort of clean horsepower we're seeing today, I'm not sure "castrate" is the term you're looking for.

keep thinking that. CARB is already killing the modification/aftermarket business in CA. Pretty soon you wont even be able to change the air filter. i know you'll probably say "oh but that makes the air cleaner" and its nothing more than a cash grab so that businesses pay CARB to sell their products. We all know a catback or an air filter aint gonna create more smog. They're only "illegal" because they havent shoved a bunch of money into CARB's pockets.

 

[lbhsbz]

keep thinking that. CARB is killing the california modification/aftermarket business. Pretty soon you wont even be able to change the air filter. i know you'll probably say "oh but that makes the air cleaner" and its nothing more than a cash grab so that businesses pay CARB to sell their products. We all know a catback or an air filter aint gonna create more smog. They're only "illegal" because they havent shoved a bunch of money into CARB's pockets.

I can go buy a hellcat or a corvette that makes 700hp with the stock air cleaner and exhaust.

The roadside smog checks are to police the smog shops and evaluate the effectiveness of the program.

 

[lbhsbz]

Yea, and 40-50-60K cars now too.

The computers failing in new cars will obsolete them long before they are worn out, the secondary market is in trouble when all these new cars become old.

Brian

That has nothing to do with California....that has to do with Technology.

 

[wsuwrhr]

That has nothing to do with California....that has to do with Technology.

Never said it did.

 

[dribble]

when the CHP officer flags you down just roll down the window, say hi, he'll ask you to pull forward. ask if you're under arrest. he'll say no. ask if you're free to go. he'll say yes. drive away. done deal.

they're only there to provide statistics to further castrate smog vehicles and create more anti-smog laws. nothing else. they'll never grab a prius and make it do the test, only the 1978 cadillac and a big truck. they need statistics!

In reality the data gathering is what led to OBDII only inspections for 2000 and newer vehicles. It was determined that the tailpipe failure rate on vehicles where the monitors had run and had no MIL light was less than one percent. It took some finnegaling with EPA but they finally agreed to incorporate the simpler test into the program. They're not looking for failures, they're looking for a similar (not necessarily identical) fail pattern between random roadside and stations.

Ultimately they may go to self serve Kiosks and let the public plug into their own vehicles. It's been beta tested in other states.

 

[Danger Dave]

They do them all the time on Broadway between El Segundo and Rosecrans in Compton. Often up in the valley near the Van Nuys airport as well. As stated they are voluntary, just say no thanks and keep moving.

 

[ka0tyk]

In reality the data gathering is what led to OBDII only inspections for 2000 and newer vehicles. It was determined that the tailpipe failure rate on vehicles where the monitors had run and had no MIL light was less than one percent. It took some finnegaling with EPA but they finally agreed to incorporate the simpler test into the program. They're not looking for failures, they're looking for a similar (not necessarily identical) fail pattern between random roadside and stations.

Ultimately they may go to self serve Kiosks and let the public plug into their own vehicles. It's been beta tested in other states.

They rely on the computer saying the car is good and functional. Yet if you take a 48 state catalytic converter and put it on your car the ODBII system will still say its operating within guidelines. The smog station computer will say its good. But the visual inspection will fail because it doesnt have a CARB stamp. Doesnt mean its not working properly, or filtering properly as per ODBII process. Hell it'll pass a sniffer test. But again, its a cash grab for manufacturers to be forced to pay CARB to sell their products in CA. And another cash grab if they're caught selling non CARB equipment in CA with fines. JUST like car manufacturers to have to pay CARB to sell their cars in CA.

NOTHING in CA is about anything other than money...

"Randomized" smog stations are not to make things better, they're to generate more revenue.

 

[Yellowboat]

Just like the test only stations, where if it fails they can t tell you why

 

[dribble]

They rely on the computer saying the car is good and functional. Yet if you take a 48 state catalytic converter and put it on your car the ODBII system will still say its operating within guidelines. The smog station computer will say its good. But the visual inspection will fail because it doesnt have a CARB stamp. Doesnt mean its not working properly, or filtering properly as per ODBII process. Hell it'll pass a sniffer test. But again, its a cash grab for manufacturers to be forced to pay CARB to sell their products in CA. And another cash grab if they're caught selling non CARB equipment in CA with fines. JUST like car manufacturers to have to pay CARB to sell their cars in CA.

NOTHING in CA is about anything other than money...

"Randomized" smog stations are not to make things better, they're to generate more revenue.

I don't know what you mean by "Randomized" smog stations but if you're stopped in a roadside inspection and you have a non approved cat or no cat at all for that matter, they will tell you about it and send you on your way. The car owner is not cited, given a warning or told to get it fixed. There is no revenue generated by random roadside inspections. As far as CARB's CAT requirements; this is exactly why nobody wants CARB to take over the program. BAR fought that one and lost. CARB is an agency that is out of control, run by environmentalist Nazis. I was offered a job on an enforcement team there for more money and told them to pound sand. BTW Cat back exhaust systems don't require CARB approval.

 

[RogerThat99]

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Where was this?

In the Sacramento Area (Arden Area)

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[Rvrluvr]

FUCK CARB

Ruined trucking IMHO!!

 

[RogerThat99]

fuck em.. decline and roll coal when you throttle out lol

I can see it now...

Question 1: Would you mind pulling over to the Inspection Station?

Question 2: Have you smoked weed today?

I don't smoke weed, but I don't like the tactic. You can insert tinted windows, no front license plate, etc...

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[Crazymofo]

This is what they call freedom huh. Fucking democrapsholes.
The rest of the fucking world makes more smog or whatever they call it than every state in the US.
California pulls this shit and people stand by and put up with it.
They are fucking taking our freedom away little by little. They are pushing us to a revolution seems to me. These assholes need to be stopped soon or you might as well take everything we like to do and throw it down the drain.
My 2 cents.

 

[dribble]

This is what they call freedom huh. Fucking democrapsholes.
The rest of the fucking world makes more smog or whatever they call it than every state in the US.
California pulls this shit and people stand by and put up with it.
They are fucking taking our freedom away little by little. They are pushing us to a revolution seems to me. These assholes need to be stopped soon or you might as well take everything we like to do and throw it down the drain.
My 2 cents.

This one is not California. It’s the EPA. Created by Republican, Richard Nixon.