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Speaking Of Scams, 67 Mustang From Inland-Empire Craigslist Scam

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Moral of this story seems to be make sure you get a signed bill of sale before handing someone money and have some sort of witness such as even a video of the transaction nowadays if you're alone.:thumbsdown

https://www.facebook.com/groups/362529460592489/permalink/666902203488545/
^ Photos of the scammer available in FB link.

As many of us on here, I love classic cars and especially mustangs. It was the first classic I could ever afford. I hope this post finds him or his family in good faith. On Nov 2, 2016 I saw a posting on Craigslist and pursued to go purchase the 1967 Mustang v8 car. I arrived and it was as any normal car showing, we agreed on $4,860 only $140 shy of his asking price. We exchanged money for pink slip and all that was left was a bill of sale. (Maybe I'm an idiot for trusting a stranger). He told to hang on as he grab a note pad to write out a bill of sale, he then came back and stood in front of me for about 1 min in silence before he told me he couldn't sell the car to me and couldn't give me my money back either. He said he had enough knowledge that this would go to small claims and I wouldn't be able to do anything because of lack of evidence. I was in shock and before I knew it he was calling 911 as he ran in his garage, the main words I heard were "I'm being assaulted by a guy that came to look at my car that's for sale on Craigslist. ( I know, Craigslist beware but I've sold and bought throughout my whole life and have never had an issues, most people are honest and normal). Cops came and heard our stories but he said it was a civil court matter and I have to take him to small claims! (COPS DIDN'T BELIEVE A WORD HE SAID AND KNOW HE'S LYING) I had a second meeting with the Sheriff's department and am confident small claims will be in my favor.
I HOPE THIS STORY WILL HELP PROTECT MY FELLOW ENTHUSIASTS OF ANY KIND OF CARS, FORD, CHEVY, DODGE, ETC. NO ONE ELSE SHOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS BECAUSE THEY WANT TO BUY A PIECE OF HISTORICAL ART. BE CAREFUL AND THESE PICTURES BELOW ARE OF A GUY THAT MAKES US NOT TRUST THE NEXT PERSON. HE'S IN HEMET CA.
 
Wow. That really sux. I think I might have some home boys pay him a visit.
 
The story says he has the title, if it's signed, tow drag or push the car away.
 
What a scumbag. Amazing the things these types of people will do to steal.
 
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The story says he has the title, if it's signed, tow drag or push the car away.
Someone asked him,
Did you both sign the pink slip
He signed it but he told police he didn't and that I took it from him.

So you had the title to the car and didn't leave with it?
No because he called cops saying I assaulted him and took the pink from him. Sheriff didn't believe anything he said of course but had no proof I gave him the money so it becomes a civil case.

Can't you just get the title transferred to you then call the cops and go get it
Sheriff said he doesn't recommend I do that but I'm going to speak to a DMV Investigator tomorrow.
 
I agree, pay some homeboys to take care of it for you.
 
Wait....this happened you and not just a story of CL bullshit? The car is in hemet. Where do you live?
 
Here is what he should have done, insist that a crime report be taken for grand theft, and they will take it. Use a withdrawal form from you bank account, hopefully he has one, as supporting evidence.

IF he had the title in his possession, and the car was there, just tow it away. A title for a low value vehicle, below 5K, does not need to be signed off in CA. Buyer can just complete a statement of facts and list the selling price. Forms are Reg 256. Seller completes the back side of the title.
 
Wait....this happened you and not just a story of CL bullshit? The car is in hemet. Where do you live?
Oh no, sorry for the confusion as this did not happen to me...Just some story I read on Facebook and decided to share after reading the boat scam from OCM/Tim. The additional information is from the guy that's keeping the events up to date posting on FB. James Sanchez.

Hard to believe someone would do someone wrong like that right in front of you and legally you can't do anything about it at that moment. What a mental F-ing that would be.

I'm in Moreno Valley...
 
After reading this I have absolutely no idea what I would do. I know for sure what I would want to do, but not what I would. One thing is for certain though and that is he got off easy. I read all kinds of stories where the person showing up to purchase the car or phone is shot dead and the money is just taken. Taking someone from now on may be necessary.

I have purchased a couple vehicles without even walking away with the title. Taking chances like that are over. Last one was my Jeep. Purchased it and the guy couldn't find the title. I talked him down in price and would only write him a check at that point. Told him since I was taking a gamble and purchasing it without the title in hand I was knocking the price down 25%. He agree and promised I would have the signed title the next day or I was calling to cancel the check and he could come get the Jeep. Everything worked out just fine with the wife meeting them to get the title.

3 months later guy shows up to my wife's work demanding the rest of the money. Felt that since he got the title he deserved the portion that was negotiated even though that was never spoken. At that point I was pissed, but not a lot he could do. I shot down there in a hurry and needless to say he walked away empty handed. I just felt bad that he went to her office demanding the money. Not only was she scared because he was telling her he just got out of jail, but it was not very professional looking for her.
 
Oh no, sorry for the confusion as this did not happen to me...Just some story I read on Facebook and decided to share after reading the boat scam from OCM/Tim. The additional information is from the guy that's keeping the events up to date posting on FB. James Sanchez.

Hard to believe someone would do someone wrong like that right in front of you and legally you can't do anything about it at that moment. What a mental F-ing that would be.

I'm in Moreno Valley...

This is one of those stupid Internet rumors that never happened. Why are you repeating something when you have no idea its true??
 
I am not sure why he would need a bill of dale if he had a signed title?
 
This is one of those stupid Internet rumors that never happened. Why are you repeating something when you have no idea its true??
I guess I was Just feeling sort of obligated to try to possibly fill in some of the questions here with his words that I read from him since I created this thread especially since not everyone may not have taken the time to read all the comments. It's on other FB pages too and some peps are trying to get the news media involved but with voting going on next week, doubtful it would make it. Just one of thoes things you may not think about until it's one of us is all.
 
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