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This boat was surely a sight to see!
The owner of Mr. Ed was Ed Wills out of Fresno.
He was an avid boat and car Dragracer.
Being from Fresno, he ran Sangers almost exclusively.
But in the effort to run faster and quicker in the 1/4 mile, (seems ridiculous that what little dragboat racing is left is all a 1000ft),
Mr. Wills hired legendary circle hydroplane builder Ron Jones to build him a dragboat.
Jones basically took his 7 Litre design…
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Shortened the boat up a bit from the transom forward and put a vdrive and fuel motor in it and went racing.
It was a beautiful boat but sadly wasn’t super competitive.
I don’t remember what mph it ran but it sure looked good!
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The size comparison to a standard BFH was definitely impressive!
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Absolutely love these old pics and Clank your commentary brings them to life. I love looking at the detail on the boats and engines, that Arias headed Chevy is bad ass, has been a bucket list of mine to build one!!!
 

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Super cool shot!
Did not think the Long Deck made it to 1974!
The blown boat still has the gas fills so a definite giveaway.
Also still has the Moon stack tank as with the Unblown boat but if you look close they boxed in the 2 tanks like all the later model boats.
The valve covers are still M/Ts but they have the more standard tall breather where the M/T used to be.
The Unblown boat used M/Ts as well, but with Offenhauser 90 degree breathers welded on.
As luck would have it, I was picking up some vintage parts from member IBHSBZ here on RDP and spotted a set of valve covers just like the ones he originally ran! How cool!
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Should be getting the boat after cutting and buffing this weekend 👍
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Super cool shot!
Did not think the Long Deck made it to 1974!
The blown boat still has the gas fills so a definite giveaway.
Also still has the Moon stack tank as with the Unblown boat but if you look close they boxed in the 2 tanks like all the later model boats.
The valve covers are still M/Ts but they have the more standard tall breather where the M/T used to be.
The Unblown boat used M/Ts as well, but with Offenhauser 90 degree breathers welded on.
As luck would have it, I was picking up some vintage parts from member IBHSBZ here on RDP and spotted a set of valve covers just like the ones he originally ran! How cool!
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Should be getting the boat after cutting and buffing this weekend 👍
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So you've convinced the owner to go the nostalgic route. Nice!
 

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Is that the boat thats similar to Sharp Shooters boat?
No this is a Ski Deck/Long Deck that as SS mentioned in another post that was made up until 1975 and then the Race Deck (10 inches shorter? Need a lil help SS) became the prevalent hull and that’s what the Honcho was.

Actually drilled a hole in it today!
This is the original steering post for the boat.

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And as usual, with my Saturday crowd over here, we went to lunch(PCH Grill for you North County Locals) and then the cocktails and bench racing started and it was suggested that the boat needed a pinstripe on the deck. Out came some flat black tape that I had and whatta ya know, instant pinstripe (not great on the rounded corner but oh well!)
I think it really sets the deck off an accentuates the raised portion and makes the deck look even longer.
Love to here some of your thoughts as I will have to sell the owner on it😂😂
Saturdays with my crew over are pretty darn fun, just wish I could get more work done🤷‍♂️😁

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I agree on the stripe 👍..
Does owner have a place in Parker ? talking to my river neighbor last year said he had a biesemeyer in the works that was coming to you . Just curious. ..
 

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I agree on the stripe 👍..
Does owner have a place in Parker ? talking to my river neighbor last year said he had a biesemeyer in the works that was coming to you . Just curious. ..
If he’s a fireman and has a place at Rio Vista, then that’s him👍
 

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No this is a Ski Deck/Long Deck that as SS mentioned in another post that was made up until 1975 and then the Race Deck (10 inches shorter? Need a lil help SS) became the prevalent hull and that’s what the Honcho was.

Actually drilled a hole in it today!
This is the original steering post for the boat.

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And as usual, with my Saturday crowd over here, we went to lunch(PCH Grill for you North County Locals) and then the cocktails and bench racing started and it was suggested that the boat needed a pinstripe on the deck. Out came some flat black tape that I had and whatta ya know, instant pinstripe (not great on the rounded corner but oh well!)
I think it really sets the deck off an accentuates the raised portion and makes the deck look even longer.
Love to here some of your thoughts as I will have to sell the owner on it😂😂
Saturdays with my crew over are pretty darn fun, just wish I could get more work done🤷‍♂️😁

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Thats one of those things I like to call marinate, if I'm on the fence about how something looks I'll go a few days each way sometimes up to 3 times.
I think it looks good both ways, such a pretty boat.
 

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@Sharp Shooter Love the history, I like to see the decks compared. I can usually tell the ski from the long, didnt realize there was also a race deck
 

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@Sharp Shooter Love the history, I like to see the decks compared. I can usually tell the ski from the long, didnt realize there was also a race deck

The race deck is the most common comparatively speaking.

Pictured top to bottom Long deck, Ski deck, race deck. There was also the little Biesemeyer which is another story.

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Long Deck was first then Ski deck followed by the race deck. Long deck and race deck look really similar, but they are different.

This is the first Julian era Biesemeyer ad that I know of and it was 1970. Boat in the ad is a long deck.


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So this is a 1971.
Just for reference on a Long Deck versus a Race Deck…
Biesemeyers are not the roomiest boats to begin with!
When the strut(boat originally came with a bolt on, recessed strut) is set at the proper degree and distance from the transom, 96 inches, give or take a 1/2”) is where the V Drive mid-plate usually lands. That distance with a whirlaway, coupler, shaft seal and a proper length hose to the shaftlog is always about right.
Note in the picture below…the black line on the tape is 96” from the transom.
Almost even with the dash!
Not sure what the Race Deck is as I have never measured the difference, but it is at least 10” which really makes a difference when rigging.
It also is only 13 inches for the kickboard, so not much room for pedals.
It is always an art getting everything to fit on one of these.
I am hoping to move the propshaft package as far back as possible and end up, if lucky, at 93 or 94 inches, which will also put the engine lower in the boat, which is beneficial.
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What is the difference in these? Primarily the handling?

I would bet there’s more rocker in the race decks. Outside of that, hull weight and rigging would probably be what changes handling.

Julian did a lot of experimentation including putting a twist in some of the race deck hulls.
 
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