Need power of RDP. Call out thread time!!

[TimeBandit]

Doesn't someone have 40 acres and a backhoe who needs a "landscaping estimate" from this fine upstanding citizen?

 

[HOOTER SLED-]

Drama.....lol
Looks like Tom be "owens" peeps some money.

 

[DILLIGAF]

Drama.....lol
Looks like Tom be "owens" peeps some money.

Not a Tom there Hoots

 

[HOOTER SLED-]

Doh

Not a Tom there Hoots

Doohhh...Paul. Must have been thinking of you...scrolled too fast...

 

[NicPaus]

State law doesn’t allow me to take more than 10% 0r $1,000 deposit before materials or labor is furnished.


Then again, If I perfect a lien, it can force the sale of the property I furnished labor and materials to cover a $1.00 debt.


I’ve only been burnt twice in 30 years, both times were in the $6k range.

That is same for me but don't think it applies to non Contractors. For instance the shower glass shops I use always get 50% down along with a few other businesses I use on the regular. They always get 50%. Not sure regulations on a mechanic shop.

 

[Lunatic Fringe]

No idea if he is on here. Hoping someone knows him.

He's still on probation for this violation.
It could be his probation officer might offer a little persuasion in getting him to pay his bills.
If nothing else, they might be interested in the fact he's still a thief.
Hopefully the mechanic and detailer have something in writing.

The court fined Owens $1,050 and sentenced him to 36 months of unsupervised probation. A restitution hearing is scheduled for Feb. 26, 2020.

 

[ONE-A-DAY]

So he is a friend of yours?

 

[Desert Whaler]

Looking at that guy I can tell . . .
He's the type of dude I'll wait until he's completely left the launch ramp.
He's the type of dude at a sandbar I won't park next too.
He's the type of dude in a bar where I'll say, "Let's go somewhere else".
He's the type of dude if at a pool, I'll just leave.

I've got a pretty dialed 'Douche-o-meter' . . . that guy pegs the needle.

 

[rivermobster]

State law doesn’t allow me to take more than 10% 0r $1,000 deposit before materials or labor is furnished.


Then again, If I perfect a lien, it can force the sale of the property I furnished labor and materials to cover a $1.00 debt.


I’ve only been burnt twice in 30 years, both times were in the $6k range.

I'm thinking these are construction rules??

I always got 50 percent up front building cars.

 

[Rondog4405]

One of those guys you take one look at and know you hate him. Dude needs a good old fashioned ass whooping asap.

 

[DMF]

I would try to contact the probation department and see what can be done of anything.

 

[spectra3279]

He's still on probation for this violation.
It could be his probation officer might offer a little persuasion in getting him to pay his bills.
If nothing else, they might be interested in the fact he's still a thief.
Hopefully the mechanic and detailer have something in writing.

The court fined Owens $1,050 and sentenced him to 36 months of unsupervised probation. A restitution hearing is scheduled for Feb. 26, 2020.

So is this a havasu mechanic? If so, did Paul get permission from his parole officer to leave the state?

This could get pretty fun

 

[HOOTER SLED-]

Everyone is so judgemental...

 

[Danger Dave]

"Hopefully he's vaccinated." - Keithco

 

[Bigbore500r]

 

[wet hull]

So is this a havasu mechanic? If so, did Paul get permission from his parole officer to leave the state?

This could get pretty fun

Yes, in Havasu

 

[LazyLavey]

Shop should contact the local PD,. Determine if it's a civil issue or crime based on all the facts..

Sometimes it's determined to be a civil issue depends on the agreement, contract, etc..... hopefully not the case

Get a crime report with Paul as the named suspect and have the PD or DA give the probation officer a heads up ......

Fuck this Turd!

 

[500bbc]

C

That is same for me but don't think it applies to non Contractors. For instance the shower glass shops I use always get 50% down along with a few other businesses I use on the regular. They always get 50%. Not sure regulations on a mechanic shop.

Contractor to sub or vendor does not apply.

 

[spectra3279]

Yes, in Havasu

If he's from komifornia then he didn't have permission to leave the state guaranteed

 

[Long Way Home]

This is like he's out there gaming the system, while the local business are getting screwed.
His sleazy behavior can be excused by pretending it’s smart business, sucks for the business.
He is very old, and is very very forgetful and may have dementia or Alzheimer's.
He does not care enough to make the changes to fix the problem so it's the business fault for doing business with him.

 

[4Waters]

This is like he's out there gaming the system, while the local business are getting screwed.
His sleazy behavior can be excused by pretending it’s smart business, sucks for the business.
He is very old, and is very very forgetful and may have dementia or Alzheimer's.
He does not care enough to make the changes to fix the problem so it's the business fault for doing business with him.

Are you talking about biden?

 

[MPHSystems]

I'm thinking these are construction rules??

I always got 50 percent up front building cars.

Yes, CSLB.

 

[NoOtherWay]

Paul needs to be prop fouled.

 

[rivermobster]

Yes, CSLB.

Thought so. Doesn't apply to this thread.

@SBMech is 100% correct. The mechanic should have taken at minimum a deposit to cover the parts. And on a 7k job? I would have made it a time and materials job. Especially on a new customer.

Does that excuse the guy for doing what he did? Hell no. But in today's world, you have to cover your ass at every turn.

 

[Ace in the Hole]

Shop should contact the local PD,. Determine if it's a civil issue or crime based on all the facts..

Sometimes it's determined to be a civil issue depends on the agreement, contract, etc..... hopefully not the case

Get a crime report with Paul as the named suspect and have the PD or DA give the probation officer a heads up ......

Fuck this Turd!

Theft by deception or some type of planned fraud...this is kinda elaborate not to be planned.

 

[MPHSystems]

Thought so. Doesn't apply to this thread.

@SBMech is 100% correct. The mechanic should have taken at minimum a deposit to cover the parts. And on a 7k job? I would have made it a time and materials job. Especially on a new customer.

Does that excuse the guy for doing what he did? Hell no. But in today's world, you have to cover your ass at every turn.

Or not released the vehicle, not sure on AZ law but a mechanics lien allows for the sale of a vehicle to recover repair costs.


All this is moot as the vehicle is gone. I don’t know AZ law or CA resiprocitybut perhaps the mechanic could reposes the boat.


I was simply commiserating with getting burned..

 

[HBCraig]

State law doesn’t allow me to take more than 10% 0r $1,000 deposit before materials or labor is furnished.


Then again, If I perfect a lien, it can force the sale of the property I furnished labor and materials to cover a $1.00 debt.


I’ve only been burnt twice in 30 years, both times were in the $6k range.

I wonder if shops are ever allowed to do lien of sorts for large $$$ work on boats. Was always curious

Either way, this ass clown is or will be getting blown up online

 

[HBCraig]

He's still on probation for this violation.
It could be his probation officer might offer a little persuasion in getting him to pay his bills.
If nothing else, they might be interested in the fact he's still a thief.
Hopefully the mechanic and detailer have something in writing.

The court fined Owens $1,050 and sentenced him to 36 months of unsupervised probation. A restitution hearing is scheduled for Feb. 26, 2020.

Wow. Didn't know this clown is on probably for this crap. His probation officer needs to know this for sure

 

[Pivot]

Wow. Didn't know this clown is on probably for this crap. His probation officer needs to know this for sure

100% or....have shop owner contact owens and say pay now or your PO will be contacted.

RDP for the win as usual. Amazing

 

[zbudman]

Not sure what the max dollar amount is in Az , but sounds like a Small Claims Court issue.

 

[MPHSystems]

I wonder if shops are ever allowed to do lien of sorts for large $$$ work on boats. Was always curious

Either way, this ass clown is or will be getting blown up online

Looks like yes but prohibitively impractical in these smaller cases

Maritime lien - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[SBMech]

That is same for me but don't think it applies to non Contractors. For instance the shower glass shops I use always get 50% down along with a few other businesses I use on the regular. They always get 50%. Not sure regulations on a mechanic shop.

No regulations. I can ask for %100 of the estimate if I choose.

 

[rmarion]

Ask a Maritime Attorney: What are the steps to put a lien on a vessel? | The Log

Question: Our building materials company is supplying a substantial amount of material for the renovation of a historic vessel, and the primary contractor has asked us to open a line […]

www.thelog.com

 

[SBMech]

Or not released the vehicle, not sure on AZ law but a mechanics lien allows for the sale of a vehicle to recover repair costs.


All this is moot as the vehicle is gone. I don’t know AZ law or CA resiprocitybut perhaps the mechanic could reposes the boat.


I was simply commiserating with getting burned..

BAR in CA covers a lien as stipulated in your personal indemnity disclaimer where you post your warranty period and conditions of storage and disclaimers of care like not being responsible for items left in the vehicle including cash, any damages from test drives or accidents while it is being test driven or on your property (vandalism etc).

Not sure as to maritime law in the state of AZ or Nevada, or auto repair, but as far as I know they do not have a governing state organization like the Bureau of Automotive Repair in CA.

As much as a pain in the ass they are, they protect citizens from predatory businesses as well as providing means to rectify situations like this when the shop gets burned.

 

[DLC]

I hate to say it ….

but…

The Hooker has the best rules for not getting screwed! Even though F’n is her business.

Today - I was just advising my newbie plumber a few ways to NOT get taken…


$7400 half of that should of at least been paid along the way & if not … the boat should of never left his shop! A scammer will try his best to take advantage and push the payment down the road in such a way to NOT make the payment…

 

[LuauLounge]

Two cruise ships seized in Bahamas over unpaid fuel bills

The ocean liners reportedly changed course to avoid their planned U.S. destination of Miami; customers had to disembark in Bimini.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[mash on it]

BAR in CA covers a lien as stipulated in your personal indemnity disclaimer where you post your warranty period and conditions of storage and disclaimers of care like not being responsible for items left in the vehicle including cash, any damages from test drives or accidents while it is being test driven or on your property (vandalism etc).

Not sure as to maritime law in the state of AZ or Nevada, or auto repair, but as far as I know they do not have a governing state organization like the Bureau of Automotive Repair in CA.

As much as a pain in the ass they are, they protect citizens from predatory businesses as well as providing means to rectify situations like this when the shop gets burned.

Possibly the Arizona Attorney General?

Dan'l

 

[44Inside]

So what team does this POS like?
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it would appear he is also gay

 

[rrrr]

The BBlades posts didn't show the photos of the props he wouldn't return. He ran them onto the rocks, and they were twisted pieces of junk, unrepairable.

IIRC someone went to his house and retrieved them. I believe the transaction involved threats, and that should be the MO for the mechanic's work.

The guy is a fucking tool.

And to those of you saying the mechanic should have done this or that, thank you, Captain Obvious. Read the OP again. He pulled a scam, and it worked because of a communication failure. The mechanic feels bad enough, he doesn't need useless comments.

 

[Activated]

I believe it was @Enen that retrieved the props. If so, he knows where the scumbag lives.

 

[Happy Smitty]

How about filing a lawsuit? I'd say it's worth it.

 

[Shlbyntro]

A lawsuit won't get you anywhere these days, you'll get a judgement in your favor but the guy still won't pay. This guy has a documented history of "shady" behavior. I would skip the lawsuit and go straight to pressing charges for theft of services. With any luck, he will plea out which will involve making the shop whole. But without it, at least the mechanic can do his part to help make sure this guy doesn't do it to someone else down the road. Make sure he files charges in AZ and not California. Hopefully he has all their communications documented via text/email or documented call logs.

 

[wzuber]

When will we be calling for death to thieves?

Nice start...subtle. I always thought was just a standard order....

 

[wet hull]

A lawsuit won't get you anywhere these days, you'll get a judgement in your favor but the guy still won't pay. This guy has a documented history of "shady" behavior. I would skip the lawsuit and go straight to pressing charges for theft of services. With any luck, he will plea out which will involve making the shop whole. But without it, at least the mechanic can do his part to help make sure this guy doesn't do it to someone else down the road. Make sure he files charges in AZ and not California. Hopefully he has all their communications documented via text/email or documented call logs.

He has all text through out project showing what was broken, repairs needed and correspondence while repairs were taking place.

 

[wzuber]

State law doesn’t allow me to take more than 10% 0r $1,000 deposit before materials or labor is furnished.


Then again, If I perfect a lien, it can force the sale of the property I furnished labor and materials to cover a $1.00 debt.


I’ve only been burnt twice in 30 years, both times were in the $6k range.

True, however progress payments can be structured in any manner the 2 parties agree to. Also, once any "work has been performed" any amount of payments can be taken. "Work performed" can be broadly interpreted and is rather grey-ish in color.

 

[wzuber]

He has all text through out project showing what was broken, repairs needed and correspondence while repairs were taking place.

I hope he has back up storage of all that or printed copies too. Would suck extra hard to lose that valuable info. From a phone accident, loss etc.

 

[Roosky01]

Where in the heck does this guy boat at? Seems to me it would be rather hard to enjoy oneself if everyone else out there knows you are a thief and overall shady fuk`r.

 

[MPHSystems]

True, however progress payments can be structured in any manner the 2 parties agree to. Also, once any "work has been performed" any amount of payments can be taken. "Work performed" can be broadly interpreted and is rather grey-ish in color.

OT.
Right, you aren’t supposed to get in front of the customer but who determines that?

I bill at the end of the job net 30 except when I get cornered into doing residential, then payment is due upon completion of service.

On larger jobs, I bill weekly, I just don’t have enough float to carry $100k for 90 days.


On topic, the one thing in my business that I hate more than anything, more than the state’s red tape, more than sticking my hand into a decomposing rat in an attic crawl, worse than a leaky drain in a basement crawl, the one thing I hate more than anything is chasing money.

I’ve fronted my time and materials, furnished system design and left you with a functioning project and then I have to start hounding you to pay me. Go DIAF.


I don’t do much resi and this is a VERY clean attic from about a year ago.

 

[OldSchoolBoats]

Definitely make a call to the probation department. This has to be a crime of some sort, like defrauding an innkeeper. For the dollar amounts owed I am sure the probation department would be interested in hearing that this douche nozzle is up to his same old tricks.

 

[Bpracing1127]

Has anyone messaged him on fb yet