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We are gonna try this a third time, except this time without the arguing for the sake of arguing.

Got a legit question? I will be happy to answer it from a deposit holder’s perspective..


Latest news is apparently they are dropping 12 cars and seeing how it goes. The fact that number is 12 and not 20+ is a little concerning to me as a deposit holder.. I was under the impression they were going to drop at least 20. 😳

That said LOF won’t be arguing in this thread
 
Crap, I already started a Take 3 a little bit ago and put in the Off Road Chit Chat section, can you delete mine? We don't need 2 with the exact same name
 
dirtslinger2 said:
Crap, I already started a Take 3 a little bit ago and put in the Off Road Chit Chat section, can you delete mine? We don't need 2 with the exact same name
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No problem.. did Robby tell you that your car would be in havasu mid January??
 
RiverDave said:
No problem.. did Robby tell you that your car would be in havasu mid January??
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No, not mine, I asked him since he was moving me up in line, what number did he think mine would be considering I was 125, he said 80-90.
I think you have a 7X number correct? You'll probably be moved up quite a bit since we are seeing cars in the 30's being shipped right now.
 
WhatExit? said:
Hope it goes well with the guinea pigs' cars so the rest of the investors can get theirs

Those first 12 cars will be under a great deal of scrutiny by Speed, the industry, owners/investors, and potential buyers
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Well that’s the point of releasing a small batch is for that scrutiny? So if there is problems they can fix all the ones in production before they go out?
 
Yes, you're correct, that's the point. However, most manufacturers do this kind of stuff internally - "vehicle testing" - done by employees, away from the public, not done by the public/owners.
 
WhatExit? said:
Yes, you're correct, that's the point. However, most manufacturers do this kind of stuff internally - "vehicle testing" - done by employees, away from the public, not done by the public/owners.
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Most manufacturers don’t share the R&D process either? I rather enjoyed watching it come to life. It’s a shame that this transparency went negative in terms of marketing.. I do blame some of Robbie’s attitude toward other mfg’s for that though

I know more about the speed car than any of the rzr’s I have ever owned and I don’t even have it yet.
 
RiverDave said:
Most manufacturers don’t share the R&D process either? I rather enjoyed watching it come to life. It’s a shame that this transparency went negative in terms of marketing.. I do blame some of Robbie’s attitude toward other mfg’s for that though

I know more about the speed car than any of the rzr’s I have ever owned and I don’t even have it yet.
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You're right about other manufacturers too. You and other investors and those of us interested in what and when this will be have enjoyed watching the show ("come to life"). The transparency hasn't been all that transparent but it's how the company owners have handled the development and marketing that has caused this. The blown up threads on this car are a direct result of how this product's gestation has been (mis) managed.

You and everyone else knowing more about this car is the result of the company not keeping the development and pre-delivery stages under wraps. Whether it's been good or bad for them, the car and the market is to be determined (studied after the fact). What they're trying to do is admirable. How they've done it is, in my opinion, just another example of a startup that's good at something(s) but not so good at others and that's tough. Most companies have "specialists" often called Directors like Director of Marketing, Director of Sales, Director of R&D/Engineering, etc. Seems to me this egocentric guy is really good and not very good for the company.
 
Are the first 12 going to family and friend types? or just regular customers that were first in line?

I've wondered the whole time if they have had any sort of issue obtaining product liability insurance.
 
attitude said:
I’d be interested to see a drag race of a Speed (non speed key) vs a Pro R vs a X3 RR.

Also, a slow mo run through the same section of whoops for each car as a comparison would be cool.
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Well we know a Pro R beats a 2022 X3 by about a car, that was shown by the SXSBlog guys.

The Speed test cars were beating 2021 or 2022 Can Ams by what looked like 2-3 cars. That was documented in Speed’s testing.

Power to weight as of this moment Speed has the advantage on paper. We will see exactly this very soon hopefully.
 
EmpirE231 said:
Are the first 12 going to family and friend types? or just regular customers that were first in line?

I've wondered the whole time if they have had any sort of issue obtaining product liability insurance.
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It's only 11, #1 will never be driven, and it sounded like friends in RG's live video the other night since he referred the owners by their first names.
 
RiverDave said:
Well that’s the point of releasing a small batch is for that scrutiny? So if there is problems they can fix all the ones in production before they go out?
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All other data points from the last 3 years aside, that's really the only way to do it, especially for a brand-new company with their first car.

How long is the Beta test and will any results be published or do people need to root through the internet to find out. I guess the answer will come if the next batch of cars start rolling or not.
 
RiverDave said:
Most manufacturers don’t share the R&D process either? I rather enjoyed watching it come to life. It’s a shame that this transparency went negative in terms of marketing.. I do blame some of Robbie’s attitude toward other mfg’s for that though

I know more about the speed car than any of the rzr’s I have ever owned and I don’t even have it yet.
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I think the big difference between Speed and other manufacturers is that other manufacturers didn't collect customers money ahead of time. Once people are literally invested it becomes a lot more personal.
 
EarpRider said:
I think the big difference between Speed and other manufacturers is that other manufacturers didn't collect customers money ahead of time. Once people are literally invested it becomes a lot more personal.
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If that were true it would not be so personal for those that do not have deposits. People are free to do whatever they want with their money. It is not a bad thing they took peoples deposits. No one was coerced to buy one.

I would have put money down for a Pro R at a 30% discount in 2019.. so would a lot of other people.

The car was always going to be late. Did anyone expect this late, no, but no one expected covid and supply chain issues, and Speed did not expect to receive the demand they did.

This was originally supposed to be a small production run of cars based on an existing vehicle. No one here with a deposit wants the product compromised after waiting this long and being this close to the end.
 
could the speed key be the hold up at CARB?

There was some issues with Suzuki back in the day with the LTR450. You could buy an aftermarket plug in that re-mapped it, but it wouldn’t be up to emissions standards.

Suzuki ended up discontinuing the ltr because of it.
 
Considering that every brand of mass produced UTV made over the past 10 years have had their share of junk parts and failures, and people still enjoy them, I can pretty much guarantee that 95% of people that receive these Speed UTV's will see and appreciate how much better they will be compared to the competition.

Of course we will all hear about the negative Nancy's complaining about them in some fashion or another. It's the quiet masses that you need to pay attention to.
 
LargeOrangeFont said:
If that were true it would not be so personal for those that do not have deposits. People are free to do whatever they want with their money. It is not a bad thing they took peoples deposits. No one was coerced to buy one.

I would have put money down for a Pro R at a 30% discount in 2019.. so would a lot of other people.

The car was always going to be late. Did anyone expect this late, no, but no one expected covid and supply chain issues, and Speed did not expect to receive the demand they did.

This was originally supposed to be a small production run of cars based on an existing vehicle. No one here with a deposit wants the product compromised after waiting this long and being this close to the end.
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Yeah we aren’t doing that again lol.. or more specifically “you” aren’t doing that again

RD
 
WhatExit? said:
You're right about other manufacturers too. You and other investors and those of us interested in what and when this will be have enjoyed watching the show ("come to life"). The transparency hasn't been all that transparent but it's how the company owners have handled the development and marketing that has caused this. The blown up threads on this car are a direct result of how this product's gestation has been (mis) managed.

You and everyone else knowing more about this car is the result of the company not keeping the development and pre-delivery stages under wraps. Whether it's been good or bad for them, the car and the market is to be determined (studied after the fact). What they're trying to do is admirable. How they've done it is, in my opinion, just another example of a startup that's good at something(s) but not so good at others and that's tough. Most companies have "specialists" often called Directors like Director of Marketing, Director of Sales, Director of R&D/Engineering, etc. Seems to me this egocentric guy is really good and not very good for the company.
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I’m not gonna argue with you about it.. there is no point to it.
 
RiverDave said:
Yeah we aren’t doing that again lol.. or more specifically “you” aren’t doing that again

RD
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23 posts...it lasted 23 posts.

@RiverDave I've seen a ton of "tracked" SXS's here in WA this week...honestly they look fun as hell. I wonder if Speed will be offering their own add on for it, or if an aftermarket will.... With the reported power they would be a monster on the snow trails, and would make me want to consider one down the road.
 
LargeOrangeFont said:
Well we know a Pro R beats a 2022 X3 by about a car, that was shown by the SXSBlog guys.

The Speed test cars were beating 2021 or 2022 Can Ams by what looked like 2-3 cars. That was documented in Speed’s testing.

Power to weight as of this moment Speed has the advantage on paper. We will see exactly this very soon hopefully.
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Was that with or without speed key?
 
LargeOrangeFont said:
If that were true it would not be so personal for those that do not have deposits. People are free to do whatever they want with their money. It is not a bad thing they took peoples deposits. No one was coerced to buy one.

I would have put money down for a Pro R at a 30% discount in 2019.. so would a lot of other people.

The car was always going to be late. Did anyone expect this late, no, but no one expected covid and supply chain issues, and Speed did not expect to receive the demand they did.

This was originally supposed to be a small production run of cars based on an existing vehicle. No one here with a deposit wants the product compromised after waiting this long and being this close to the end.
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Ace in the Hole said:
23 posts...it lasted 23 posts.

@RiverDave I've seen a ton of "tracked" SXS's here in WA this week...honestly they look fun as hell. I wonder if Speed will be offering their own add on for it, or if an aftermarket will.... With the reported power they would be a monster on the snow trails, and would make me want to consider one down the road.
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You can buy track systems for just about anything. If you need to modify in existing track system to mount on a speed it wouldn’t be that difficult
 
RiverDave said:
You can buy track systems for just about anything. If you need to modify in existing track system to mount on a speed it wouldn’t be that difficult
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Speed wheels are the same bolt pattern as Polaris !
 
Has Speed or RG said how many 4-seaters they will build before switching over to build some 2-seaters?
I received this email making me think I'll be the 203 4-seater built:
"Dear Chris,
Speed UTV would like to congratulate you on your Pre-Order of the new El Jefe RG Edition your Master Unit number is #1377 and your El Jefe Unit number is #203."
Perhaps they made a typo and meant I'm #203 only on RG edition of El Jefe but that is not what they wrote.
 
LargeOrangeFont said:
If that were true it would not be so personal for those that do not have deposits. People are free to do whatever they want with their money. It is not a bad thing they took peoples deposits. No one was coerced to buy one.

I would have put money down for a Pro R at a 30% discount in 2019.. so would a lot of other people.

The car was always going to be late. Did anyone expect this late, no, but no one expected covid and supply chain issues, and Speed did not expect to receive the demand they did.

This was originally supposed to be a small production run of cars based on an existing vehicle. No one here with a deposit wants the product compromised after waiting this long and being this close to the end.
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And we’re back, literally a broken record.
 
LargeOrangeFont said:
If that were true it would not be so personal for those that do not have deposits. People are free to do whatever they want with their money. It is not a bad thing they took peoples deposits. No one was coerced to buy one.

I would have put money down for a Pro R at a 30% discount in 2019.. so would a lot of other people.

The car was always going to be late. Did anyone expect this late, no, but no one expected covid and supply chain issues, and Speed did not expect to receive the demand they did.

This was originally supposed to be a small production run of cars based on an existing vehicle. No one here with a deposit wants the product compromised after waiting this long and being this close to the end.
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I'm sorry you're on "ignore" so I didn't see your post.
I didn't say it was 100% true, but I do believe people who made deposits for a Speed car are much more invested, literally, then customers just waiting to see what the new Polaris car will be.
And like other guys have already posted, we ALL know where you stand on this topic, take a break already.
- Merry Christmas!🎅
 
I guess I get the hype and deposit money and willingness to wait for this car now by those who want it. I recently inquired about a 2023 ZO6 Corvette from Selman Chevrolet. They are requiring a $3,000 refundable deposit. $15,000 over invoice and currently a 5 year waiting list!!! Is that gonna deter me from ordering one? Hell no. I want one! So if Offroad SxS is your thing and you ordered a Speed car and don’t mind waiting because you just want one, who G.A.S. what anyone else thinks….
 
My only thing is I thought they had 100 cars ready to go just waiting on the carb cert? What happened to those cars. I hope everyone gets their cars in a timely manner.
 
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SkyDirtWaterguy said:
I guess I get the hype and deposit money and willingness to wait for this car now by those who want it. I recently inquired about a 2023 ZO6 Corvette from Selman Chevrolet. They are requiring a $3,000 refundable deposit. $15,000 over invoice and currently a 5 year waiting list!!! Is that gonna deter me from ordering one? Hell no. I want one! So if Offroad SxS is your thing and you ordered a Speed car and don’t mind waiting because you just want one, who G.A.S. what anyone else thinks….
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Explain to me how this works please?

Will you be getting a 2023 or a 2028 car in five years?

Will you be paying 15k over a fixed up front price of a 2023? Or 15k over whatever a 2028 window sticker will be?

What if there are no gas cars for sale in 2028?

I'm Seriously scratching my head over here!

🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️
 
JFMFG said:
My only thing is I thought they had 100 cars ready to go just waiting on the carb cert? What happened to those cars. I hope everyone gets their cars in a timely manner.
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I thought it was tons? 2 maybe. Sorry Dave, but RG aaid so...
 
rivermobster said:
Explain to me how this works please?

Will you be getting a 2023 or a 2028 car in five years?

Will you be paying 15k over a fixed up front price of a 2023? Or 15k over whatever a 2028 window sticker will be?

What if there are no gas cars for sale in 2028?

I'm Seriously scratching my head over here!

🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️
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Those are all the same questions I’m asking. My impression is that it will be a 2023 car. This is the last year a gasoline Corvette will be produced and with the new flat plane crank 670hp motor. 15k over invoice of the current MSRP for the car as ordered. Can GM keep up the supply to meet the demand for this car? I doubt it. Most likely many orders will be cancelled due to limited availability. IDK? Currently trying to find a dealer around the country accepting orders and I’ll place one and see what happens….worst case is I won’t get the car due to high demand and limited supply. Refunded the 3k. Those that are able to get one will be worth a lot more once production stops. Can’t get one if I don’t try.
 
I give this thread 2 weeks🤣







All joking aside I am looking forward to seeing these cars out there and hearing the inmates reviews on them as they put them through their paces
 
SkyDirtWaterguy said:
Those are all the same questions I’m asking. My impression is that it will be a 2023 car. This is the last year a gasoline Corvette will be produced and with the new flat plane crank 670hp motor. 15k over invoice of the current MSRP for the car as ordered. Can GM keep up the supply to meet the demand for this car? I doubt it. Most likely many orders will be cancelled due to limited availability. IDK? Currently trying to find a dealer around the country accepting orders and I’ll place one and see what happens….worst case is I won’t get the car due to high demand and limited supply. Refunded the 3k. Those that are able to get one will be worth a lot more once production stops. Can’t get one if I don’t try.
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I know a guy here who put a deposit in way early for the Z06 and he's very low on the list and he's having great difficulty getting any idea on if/when he'll get his car due to limited production and dealer allocations. If you don't have a deposit in now my guess is you ain't getting one unless you pay $50-$100,000K over
 
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