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rivermobster said:
I would guess there would have to be one, in every country, that wants to sell cars in the US?

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CARB is in Riverside and most testing is done there. There is some 3rd party facilities that are EPA & CARB approved to do some testing, but all the CARB stuff eventually goes through the new facility in Riverside. Speed contracted the same company that BRP uses to get their vehicles through the process. Speed has actually been pretty successful with getting through CARB with limited issues, and was able to get a two tune using 91 & E85 passed.

I was told a few stories of issues Speed had and how it cost them months in getting the CARB certs. But was told overall CARB was happy with Speed & its contractor.

The test dyno you see RG at is a dyno in one of Hisun’s facilities, probably China, or maybe Vietnam.
 
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CARB is in Riverside and most testing is done there. There is some 3rd party facilities that are EPA & CARB approved to do some testing, but all the CARB stuff eventually goes through the new facility in Riverside. Speed contracted the same company that BRP uses to get their vehicles through the process. Speed has actually been pretty successful with getting through CARB with limited issues, and was able to get a two tune using 91 & E85 passed.

I was told a few stories of issues Speed had and how it cost them months in getting the CARB certs. But was told overall CARB was happy with Speed & its contractor.

The test dyno you see RG at is a dyno in one of Hisun’s facilities, probably China, or maybe Vietnam.
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The facility I toured, when I worked for Lexus, was in Inglewood if memory serves?

It was a Very long time ago, but it was where they did all their vapor testing.

The Riverside office just recently opened in 2021. Maybe they sold all their old shit to China? 🤷‍♂️

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There is also a Super high tech emissions testing facility at SEMA headquarters in Diamond Bar.

I toured that right after it opened as a friend of mine works there.

They do a Lot of testing for the aftermarket world.

It's bad azz. 👍🏼
 
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rivermobster said:
There is also a Super high tech emissions testing facility at SEMA headquarters in Diamond Bar.

I toured that right after it opened as a friend of mine works there.

They do a Lot of testing for the aftermarket world.

It's bad azz. 👍🏼
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Yes. I think that was one of the main CARB facility, prior to Riverside, but I think your right that is where the aftermarket stuff is tested and processed.

I lived in Diamond Bar as a young kid in the 70’s, when it was pretty much all new or newer.
 
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Let’s face it. This “startup” 5 years into it is a joke. No deaers, no support of any kind. Can barely deliver vehicles.

People are trying pull out left and right.

I would love to see if they can make it 7000-10000 miles

In all honestly the concept is cool but piss poor execution.

I think where they really fucked up is the dealers for service repair and not letting the industry do real world testing before release. Like Polaris and can am do. Where they loan/give a car to industry professionals like race car drivers or social influencers or general public ( limited amount) and say go break it!!!

Also #2 fuck up is putting 2 people that have no business running and scaling a business in charge. And lying non stop to the public. Gave the public a bad taste.

Personally I think the excitement is over and ship left port for this company. Economy sucks now they couldn’t perform while the iron was hot.

I think there are already more Mav r in field than speeds

Truthfully I was excited for a real suspension car with factory 300 hp! But performance is lack luster at best.

But think of problems that still linger with no solution

Brakes
Windshield
Turbo
Motor
Belt life
Electronics not working like tach that is slow
Axles
Pivots

I’ll note this one but it’s handful of cases where I’m starting to see front diff failures with a roll pin

Lack of dealer support
No customer service (not picking up phones or calling back)

Some of these have aftermarket fixes for big $$

Again a car that was race ready out of the box and needs nothing. I never believed that myself but some of these are not easily fixed due to Robby patent and taking people to court.

Then add controversy of shipping/carb/tapp/emtron/no refunds/missed deliveries left and right.

Robby fucked up and people have a very bad taste in their mouth.

I don’t know if it’s recoverable
 
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Bpracing1127 said:
Let’s face it. This “startup” 5 years into it is a joke. No deaers, no support of any kind. Can barely deliver vehicles.

People are trying pull out left and right.

I would love to see if they can make it 7000-10000 miles

In all honestly the concept is cool but piss poor execution.

I think where they really fucked up is the dealers for service repair and not letting the industry do real world testing before release. Like Polaris and can am do. Where they loan/give a car to industry professionals like race car drivers or social influencers or general public ( limited amount) and say go break it!!!

Also #2 fuck up is putting 2 people that have no business running and scaling a business in charge. And lying non stop to the public. Gave the public a bad taste.

Personally I think the excitement is over and ship left port for this company. Economy sucks now they couldn’t perform while the iron was hot.

I think there are already more Mav r in field than speeds

Truthfully I was excited for a real suspension car with factory 300 hp! But performance is lack luster at best.

But think of problems that still linger with no solution

Brakes
Windshield
Turbo
Motor
Belt life
Electronics not working like tach that is slow
Axles
Pivots

I’ll note this one but it’s handful of cases where I’m starting to see front diff failures with a roll pin

Lack of dealer support
No customer service (not picking up phones or calling back)

Some of these have aftermarket fixes for big $$

Again a car that was race ready out of the box and needs nothing. I never believed that myself but some of these are not easily fixed due to Robby patent and taking people to court.

Then add controversy of shipping/carb/tapp/emtron/no refunds/missed deliveries left and right.

Robby fucked up and people have a very bad taste in their mouth.

I don’t know if it’s recoverable
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What’s wrong with the turbos and the motors or the axles and the gauges? lol.

I like how you just keep randomly adding shit to your list..

Let’s be honest at this point if Robbie delivered cars that out paced everything you’d be saying they’re too fast and dangerous.

The reality is cars are being delivered, cars are constantly being improved. The people that have them love them..

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What’s wrong with the turbos and the motors or the axles and the gauges? lol.

I like how you just keep randomly adding shit to your list..

Let’s be honest at this point if Robbie delivered cars that out paced everything you’d be saying they’re too fast and dangerous.

The reality is cars are being delivered, cars are constantly being improved. The people that have them love them..

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lol all 1000 people in total. Hahahah

Just admit it Dave. It’s a crappy ass company!!!
 
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@RiverDave I was at the sand sport show last week and saw your car with the rear windshield. Has it made a difference in the heat coming into the car? I am making one right now for my car it's at the glass shop right now.
 
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Speed will not give deposits back or voluntarily return everyone’s money that’s waiting. They have already said they won’t, and allegedly a few have said RG told them to lawyer up if they want out.

In the past few months Speed’s changed the website to say these are custom cars, and they are even saying it on FB @ IG. They no longer are calling these production vehicles. Problem is for 4 plus years they have said they are mass producing and making the best production UTV. And every deposit holder was told these were mass production vehicles.

IMO the best thing Speed could do is 1) return peoples money that want out. Why make your customers mad and create more bad press. Plus once one or two sue Speed and win, it’s going to be a falling house of cards. 2) Speed needs to bring in someone who knows how to run a business of this scale and let them take over the day to day and fix the bad press, fix the production issues, and bring knowledgeable people in to build the company into what we all thought it would be. Some say they can’t afford it. I’m not sure I believe that, plus as they say it takes money to create more money. Speed needs to look farther then next week or month, and start looking at years. Then TR can enjoy life living off his percentage and kite surfing around the world. RG can continue to do what he does best, and that is designing & creating the next Speed, TT or whatever he wants. He can focus on Max’s future racing career and racing SST, Dakar and NORRA & Score.
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I wonder if a “production car” would then allow them to qualify for lemon law? Interesting.
 
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37 boat said:
@RiverDave I was at the sand sport show last week and saw your car with the rear windshield. Has it made a difference in the heat coming into the car? I am making one right now for my car it's at the glass shop right now.
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It did help with that but the roof scoop made a huge difference as well by feeding air into the cab.

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riverroyal said:
How long? Lol. About the time I finished reading the sentence I knew.
I'm actually not miserable. It just reads that way over text. 😁
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You guys seemed pretty damn happy yesterday. Nice seeing you two. Looking forward to some rides this season
 
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RiverDave said:
It did help with that but the roof scoop made a huge difference as well by feeding air into the cab.

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This roof scoop doesn't work?

speedutv.com

Positive Flow Roof-included with RG and LE Models

The Speed Roof was designed to create positive pressure in the cab while running a full or half windshield. The Speed Roof fits with the OE windshield and creates positive pressure from the forward…
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Bpracing1127 said:
Yep I see them going BK and restructuring to be more like Upfit UTV. More niche custom builds limited qty’s full support program.

Overall that makes more sense for them. If they can’t get someone to really run operations they will never get out of their own way.


7000 miles on my axles and no problems lol.

Just admit the car is loaded with problems (they are solvable but requires money)
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Your axles don't plunge like ours do. You have radius rods, your axles most likely will last longer because of it. But what you have in the whoops that we don't is a full foot of scrub from top of stroke to bottom out, and that's not a compliment LOL You sure do talk a lot of shit without providing the full picture.

Problems or bugs? for a first gen car?
 
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Your axles don't plunge like ours do. You have radius rods, your axles most likely will last longer because of it. But what you have in the whoops that we don't is a full foot of scrub from top of stroke to bottom out, and that's not a compliment LOL You sure do talk a lot of shit without providing the full picture.

Problems or bugs? for a first gen car?
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Problems. Bugs are stupid shit.

I’m fully aware of what my axles do and don’t do. Right now speed chassis is awesome minus some stupid shit like axles.

The power train is lackluster at best.

My biggest problem is how the company is run or lack there of. It’s a garage shop boutique style company and for me that is a problem.

What I don’t like is being lied to and mis lead that this is best of the best. It’s clearly not. Now do I understand that early people got a great deal? Maybe define great deal I feel like it was a wash.

Look at some of the big names in the UTV world none of them are in a speed and the ones that did are already out.

$ for $ my turbo s4 is hard to beat. Do I wish I had a pro R sure do. But my wallet and wife say otherwise.

Most have said speed has the opportunity to be THE best hands down. They blew it imo. The cheerleaders for speed won’t admit it either. Likely not to hurt their resale.
 
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Problems. Bugs are stupid shit.

I’m fully aware of what my axles do and don’t do. Right now speed chassis is awesome minus some stupid shit like axles.

The power train is lackluster at best.

My biggest problem is how the company is run or lack there of. It’s a garage shop boutique style company and for me that is a problem.

What I don’t like is being lied to and mis lead that this is best of the best. It’s clearly not. Now do I understand that early people got a great deal? Maybe define great deal I feel like it was a wash.

Look at some of the big names in the UTV world none of them are in a speed and the ones that did are already out.

$ for $ my turbo s4 is hard to beat. Do I wish I had a pro R sure do. But my wallet and wife say otherwise.

Most have said speed has the opportunity to be THE best hands down. They blew it imo. The cheerleaders for speed won’t admit it either. Likely not to hurt their resale.
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Bpracing1127 said:
Problems. Bugs are stupid shit.

I’m fully aware of what my axles do and don’t do. Right now speed chassis is awesome minus some stupid shit like axles.

The power train is lackluster at best.

My biggest problem is how the company is run or lack there of. It’s a garage shop boutique style company and for me that is a problem.

What I don’t like is being lied to and mis lead that this is best of the best. It’s clearly not. Now do I understand that early people got a great deal? Maybe define great deal I feel like it was a wash.

Look at some of the big names in the UTV world none of them are in a speed and the ones that did are already out.

$ for $ my turbo s4 is hard to beat. Do I wish I had a pro R sure do. But my wallet and wife say otherwise.

Most have said speed has the opportunity to be THE best hands down. They blew it imo. The cheerleaders for speed won’t admit it either. Likely not to hurt their resale.
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Just curious why you seem to care so much about Speed UTV? Clearly you’re not a fan or customer, so why do you care what they do or their customers say?
 
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Only 9.846 posts in this thread …

Maybe go back to page 1 and start over….

Shouldn’t take very long….
 
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Just curious why you seem to care so much about Speed UTV? Clearly you’re not a fan or customer, so why do you care what they do or their customers say?
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So I can’t have an opinion on something I don’t like?
 
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Your axles don't plunge like ours do. You have radius rods, your axles most likely will last longer because of it. But what you have in the whoops that we don't is a full foot of scrub from top of stroke to bottom out, and that's not a compliment LOL You sure do talk a lot of shit without providing the full picture.

Problems or bugs? for a first gen car?
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On paper, the Speed car seems like the better overall machine. Seems like the Pro R and new CanAm are performing better in every recent race.
What does success look like for the Speed team? Do you think they’ll fix the reliability issues? Do they have next gen power to keep up if the Pro R gets a turbo?
 
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That’s not what Chupacabra said….

1725 miles on his car

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